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[Thread Backward] Re: Banks Power ProductsMsg # 5142 of 8004 on Powerstroke Diesel Conference (1)To: Dave, From: Jason Time: Wednesday 01-28-98, 11:19 am I talked with Gale Banks again last night and those were pretty much his exact words too. He says they have three people that handle customer service which includes helping with warranty claims with dealers. He said all their kits are tested to the extreme to see what it would take to actually hurt the engines and drivetrain. They know what the limits are and do not exceed them. We also talked about power chips, downpipes, etc. The reason they only sell full kits is because of the EGT problem when just adding a chip. In the tests they've done, adding a chip with no other modifications significantly increases the exhaust gas temperature. Some chips in their tests hit 1350 degrees fairly quickly and were still rising when they shut the engine down. Navistar's cutoff for exhaust temp is 1400 degrees. Any more than that (or long periods at that limit) significantly increase engine wear. Their kits are engineered to not exceed 1300 degrees. Their testing ground is the long grade at Las Vegas (I don't know the area, but I'm sure some of you do). Jason On Tuesday 01-27-98, 09:56 pm, Dave said: -The relevant legislation is the Magnuson-Moss -Warranty Act. The party issuing the warranty, e.g. -Ford, has the burden of proof that an aftermarket -part or service is the cause of a failure of an OEM -part. So, even if you throw a rod, Ford has to -prove that it was due to whatever fiddling you've -been up to, if they want to deny your warranty -claim. - -Now, what constitutes "proof"? - - - - On Tuesday 01-27-98, 07:50 pm, Guest said: --The factory warranty covers defects in factory --supplied materials and workmanship. In other words, --if you overstress the engine beyond what the --factory designed if for by adding aftermarket --equipment and the failure is not due to a DEFECT in --the factory supplied equipment, you are Sh*t out --of luck. No kind of legislation anywhere makes the --factory liable for modifications you make. If you --blow your glow plug relay and have a Banks kit --installed, of course there is no connection. But if --you throw a connecting rod or fry the tranny --because you exceeded the design basis-and there is --no defect in the part-you are up the creek. -- On Tuesday 01-27-98, 05:03 pm, Gary Hawkins said: --- On Monday 01-26-98, 11:34 pm, MP said: ----Banks looks great for added power. Adding the ----exhaust and intake systems should be OK, but I ----think Ford will have a hard time warrantying any ----truck with added boost pressure, and especially --the ----addition of the added fuel portion. NO company ----looks kindly on that. I will add the kits that ----affect breathing and exhaust, and save the added ----fuel and boost for after warranty time. If you --add ----all, and have driveline or engine problems, -caused ----by added power or not, let us know what Ford -does. ----I hope they cover it, but would hate to bet a new ----tranny or engine on it. ----MP ---Check out Banks' web page- they address the ---warranty issue and cite legislation to support the ---position. ---EOM ---GH Replies to this message:
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