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[Thread Backward] Re: automaticsMsg # 5191 of 8004 on Powerstroke Diesel Conference (1)To: JB, From: Doug Hanz Time: Wednesday 01-28-98, 07:38 pm I have had two clutch replacements on my old truck which I won't mention the Brand as per Jason's policy. Neither of them cost me over $500. Of course, I live in a rural area where mechanics work in old machine sheds out in the country. I had the E4OD in my F-250 rebuilt by the same shop last spring and it cost me $1300. I firmly believe that manual transmissions are basically better so long as you live in rural areas. Otherwise, I would get the auto for heavy traffic in bigger cities. That new 6 speed sure sounds neat for us rural folks. On Wednesday 01-28-98, 01:26 pm, JB said: -I've always tended to side on the manual side as -they indeed are stronger. However recently some of -my experiences have begun to sway me that the auto -is more economically sound long term. -Specifically while the automatics probably break -more often (my personal experience is expect 100K -on the auto, 150K before a clutch on the manual) -the fact that the industry is geared up to deal -with the auto's (95%+ penetration) means prices are -cheaper. -Recently I repaired one of each; 1. on another -truck (not PS)a clutch job was $2k and a tranny -rebuild(syncros) was quoted at $1500. 2. A new auto -was $1900 and a rebuild at less than 1000. -If those are realistic prices (I didn't shop around -and it was a dealer - no flames about being ripped -off please; long story)? - -At those prices (excluding the initial purchase -difference) the auto is cheaper long term. Any one -have any similar thoughts/experiences? Wednesday 01- -28-98, 01:11 pm, Dave Whitmer said: -- On Tuesday 01-27-98, 04:18 pm, Jerry said: ---Stay on top of fluid/filter changes and they -should ---last, unless abused. Jerry. --- On Tuesday 01-27-98, 02:55 pm, Guest said: ---- On Tuesday 01-27-98, 11:33 am, Brad W. said: ----- ----- ----- -----One thing I have noticed about automatic -----transmissions, if you look at the -----TSP's, you will -----see many for automatics (Fords or -----anybody elses) -----but very few for manuals. I also -----read in Trailer -----Life Magazine that the design life -----of a American -----light truck automatic transmision is -----100,000 miles -----(under "normal" driving conditions). ----- The actual -----life varies exponentially with the -----operating -----temperature. I've had many trucks -----and I have never -----had to replace or repare a manual -----transmission. ----- ----- Brad W. ---- ----I have built many trucks for myself and others, --and ----I have never had to replace an auto once built, ----unless submerged or overheated. I cannot say the ----same for U joints, drive shafts, axles or pinion ----gears however. Clutches and throwout bearings --tend ----not to go that 100K if used heavily either. ----Flywheels crack, clutch fingers break and disks ----explode. ---- ----While I enjoy shifting an exotic sports car, I do ----not get that same enjoyment from a full size --truck. ----My point is I think a manual and auto trans both ----have a place in this application and it is unfair ----to dissmiss the auto simply because you think it ----will not be as durable. Many do go the distance. ----A lot is how you care for them. ---- ----Keith ---- ----PS The last time I was at the Ford dealership -here ----in Madison, WI they were rebuilding an E4OD that ----had over 350K and had never been touched. ---- -- --Lordy! This automatic vs. manual stuff is much --more fun than Ford vs ... And it isn't even --bashing. My two cents. I have trashed football --knees and I'll never buy another automatic in a --truck. Automatics (that don't say Allison on the --side) have a rough life. Maybe outstanding --maintenance & "babying" can make them last, but --then if you want to baby it along, why spend the --bucks on a PS? Replies to this message:
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