Re: Mileage/Power Improvement After Brea

Msg # 4986 of 8004 on Powerstroke Diesel Conference (1)
To: Dave and all, From: Jason
Time: Sunday 01-25-98, 10:27 pm
I'll have to agree on the MPG issue.  Mine gets 15-
16 average.  That's a solid average over the last
8000 miles.  Mostly empty, but a few trips with a
heavy trailer.  I drive it hard and think that's
pretty good for a 444 cubic inch engine (it's a
diesel, but that's still a huge engine in a light
truck), 4.10 gears, and 6500 lbs truck (never
actually weighed it, just estimating).  Also,
around here, diesel is about $.10/gallon cheaper
than gas.  We had an F-350 with the 400M and never
got over 10 with it.  It didn't weigh as much as
this one either.
Jason
  On Sunday 01-25-98, 10:03 pm, Dave and all said:
-We have been over this subject sooooo many times
-and I thought I would throw in my experiences as
-well(since i never have) My 97' F-350 CC
-4x4(4:10,auto) now has slightly over 3000 miles on
-it and is driven a good mix of city and highway. It
-has an aluminum toolbox cap on the back and has
-usually about 1000# of tools in the back. As of the
-last 2 tanks of fuel on mostly highway driving the
-MPG was 14.3 and this is by far the best I have
-gotten. It was about 11 on the tanks before.This is
-much better than the 8 mpg the 460 in a 97' SC it
-replaced so I don't complain. Hey, I ordered a chip
-that is sure to cost me some MPG but if you can't
-afford to feed them,then sell them and get a
-Metro.(you can get 3 for the cost of a PSD)
-Will the MPG go up after the break
-in......probably... but say it goes up 20%, that is
-still only 3 mpg at best.Some people make some very
-outrageous claims on MPG... and I laugh and say
-...yea right and santa is real too, must be using
-"new math" in the calculation.
-The point is ....who cares, you bought it, if you
-didn't do the research and knew going in what you
-were getting, then SORRY CHARLIE, live with it or
-sell it to someone else.
-Headhunter....you are too cool to lose from this
-page....tell this chump to bite a big one.   BKC 
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-  On Sunday 01-25-98, 06:15 pm, Jason said:
--I really hate repeating myself.  If you want to do
--this kind of stuff, use e-mail.  Don't clog up
this
--conference with these useless posts.  It's really
--getting to be ridiculous.  No one else cares about
--it or wants to read it.
--
--Jason
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--  On Sunday 01-25-98, 05:01 pm, Dave said:
---Ray,
---
---If I may quote your reply:
---
------mean to sound testy, but these are trucks and
--not
------so foreign made, cramp your ass little itty
--bitty
------truck.  You have a "Man's Truck" and quit
------complaining about the little shit.
---
---so, don't get on me about language. I could
regard
---the entirety of your response as vulgar, foul, or
---whatever, as it totally failed to respond to the
---questions posed in my post, and instead was a
-paean
---to how great your truck is, how I shouldn't be
---complaining and instead, presumably act like the
---owner of a "Man's Truck", etc. My impression is
---that your response was substantially devoid of
---facts.
---
---I'm very happy for you that you can afford to
take
---the considerable financial losses associated with
---disposing of any truck that fails to meet your
---expectations. I myself prefer to hold the
---manufacturer up to mine. I value tight unit
---tolerances, as loose specs are the primary cause
-of
---all component failures, and am seeking the
---experience of others so that I can make some
---statistical judgements about where on the curve
my
---particular vehicle sits, and the breadth of that
---curve.
---
---Sincerely,
---David
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---  On Sunday 01-25-98, 04:29 pm, Headhunter said:
----Lava soap works good for your problems.  Get
with
----your Dealer, he should know the answers, if not
--you
----should have purchased the truck from one who
----does... in the future please watch your language
--as
----my wife also reads this net and  and I reread my
----post...no poetic waxings there, just honest to
----goodness facts and reality, I mentioned nothing
----about a moped, and I'm not in love with my
--truck...
----it's a truck and nothing more and if it doesn't
----perform as I desire it to...it will be
----history...but it still is a truck... I believe
-you
----owe me and everyone else on this site an apology
----and if I'm in the wrong...I will be history on
--this
----site...thanks to you
----Respectfully   
----
----Ray ( Headhunter)
----  On Sunday 01-25-98, 01:45 pm, Dave said:
-----Ray,
-----
-----Try reading the damn post before shooting your
-----mouth off with your poetic waxings! I'm making
-----direct comparisons between vehicles, not saying
-----that it should get the same mileage as a moped!
-----
-----If you're so damned in love with your truck, go
-----outside and hump it, and stop wasting
everyone's
-----time with reading your drivel - I'm here asking
---for
-----help, not erotica.....
-----
-----I've driven 5 other Powerstrokes, and the worst
--of
-----those got 18.4, with the others all over 19.
And
--I
-----haven't seen much of any seasonal variance in
-----mileage on my IDI. Given a conservative median
-of
-----19, that leaves me down by 15%, which is rather
-----much for my tastes. Again, this is poored than
-my
-----IDI, which consistently runs upper 16s, with a
---high
-----of 17.3. I've heard that DI should yield about
--20%
-----over IDI, so this definitely has my eyebrows
----raised.
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-----To the other person who's responded thus far: I
-----can't see snap idle stuff affecting highway
---mileage
-----and top end power. When did the EPA regs
--affecting
-----diesels last change? I know that something
--occured
-----on 1/1/95, but am not aware of anything more
----recent.
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-----Dave
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-----  On Sunday 01-25-98, 02:29 am, Headhunter
said:
------I have 3375 miles on my 97 CC 4x2 DRW 4:10
---A\T....
------Also have an   ATS Performance
Chip...yesterday
--I
------hooked up to my Horse trailer, weighing in at
----close
------to 5,000 lbs... I didn't even know it was on
-the
------rear and my RPM was no higher at 70 than it
was
------when it wasn't on.  This sucker moves out
right
------smartly.  As for fuel mileage... you can not
------actually get any kind of comparisons in the
---winter
------unless you run several times in the winter and
--in
------the summer.  These critters get better than
any
------Dodge I've seen and if  some one tellls you
------different, he is just putting you on...I've
-been
------there...done that.  You have one hell of a
---pulling
------machine that will give you better mileage than
------anything on the market.  If anyone is that
---unhappy
------with the performance of the well engineered
--piece
------of equiptment,,,than get rid of it and buy
------something everyone else is lyeing about.
Don't
------mean to sound testy, but these are trucks and
--not
------so foreign made, cramp your ass little itty
--bitty
------truck.  You have a "Man's Truck" and quit
------complaining about the little shit.
-------------------       Ray ---------------
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------  On Sunday 01-25-98, 02:12 am, Dave said:
-------Folks,
-------
-------Just picked up a new '97 F350 CC PSD, E4OD,
--4x4,
-------4.10 gears. Sadly, it seems to both have less
-----power
-------and get poorer mileage than my '94 F250 SC
IDI
-------factory turbodiesel (w/ aftermarket turbine
-----housing
-------& exhaust), 4x4, E4OD, 4.10.
-------
-------On other PSDs that I've driven, when tromping
----from
-------a standing start, you can see the engine rev
-to
-----the
-------torque converter's stall speed, and then,
over
--a
-------half second or so, feel the boost come on,
via
----the
-------seat of your pants, with a nice satisfying
--rush.
-------This one is much less distinguished in its
---coming
-------onto the boost.
-------
-------I don't hear any kind of rushing air sound,
so
--I
-------don't think that the exhaust butterfly is
----sticking
-------shut.
-------
-------At about 175 miles, took it out solo, with an
-----empty
-------bed, for about 200 miles, out and back, on
----terrain
-------that gains elevation (1-2000 feet) fairly
----smoothly
-------over the hundred mile radius, starting pretty
----near
-------sea level. I got what I consider to be a
----miserable
-------16.1 MPG, having filled the tank to the brim
---both
-------before and after the run.
-------
-------On some steeper hills around here, it would
----barely
-------pull beyond 70 MPH, taking 5-10 seconds to
-gain
-------each additional 1 MPH. My recollection of my
--IDI
-----is
-------that it accelerated in that situation at
leas