Re: Mileage/Power Improvement After Brea

Msg # 4987 of 8004 on Powerstroke Diesel Conference (1)
To: Jason, From: Dave
Time: Sunday 01-25-98, 10:42 pm
Jason,
Thanks for your numbers. BTW, the shipping weight
on mine was 6000-6100 #.
I agree that it is much better than a 460, but it
is falling well short of both my experience and
expectations. I never expected 20+ MPG from the get
go (though it sure would have been nice), but I'm
depressed about the thought of having to drop 5-10K
on it before learning just what I've got going.
Again, right now it is doing no better, but rather
worse, than an IDI, in both mileage and power, and
that just doesn't jibe with what this engine is all
about. Perhaps my IDI is exceptional...
I noticed that the downtube is horrificly crimped,
as was my IDI's, and I don't recall it being like
this on the ones I examined when it first came out.
On my IDI, I replaced the turbine housing and the
whole exhaust path with a 3" ATS setup, and
realized both an improvement in breathability,
power, and a 25% towing mileage increase, from a
somewhat variable 9-9.5 to a pretty consistent
11.5. Solo mileage did not change much, though. If
it turns out that Ford diddled the exhaust
somewhere in '97 (perhaps related to the short
engine cover???) I'll no doubt do some bitching and
moaning, prior to getting an aftermarket fix, but
I'd really like to figure this out before beginning
the parts swapping game.
BTW, diesel here has just fallen below $1, while
gas is still at $1.20 & up, so I have at least that
to be jubilant about.
David
  On Sunday 01-25-98, 10:27 pm, Jason said:
-I'll have to agree on the MPG issue.  Mine gets 15-
-16 average.  That's a solid average over the last
-8000 miles.  Mostly empty, but a few trips with a
-heavy trailer.  I drive it hard and think that's
-pretty good for a 444 cubic inch engine (it's a
-diesel, but that's still a huge engine in a light
-truck), 4.10 gears, and 6500 lbs truck (never
-actually weighed it, just estimating).  Also,
-around here, diesel is about $.10/gallon cheaper
-than gas.  We had an F-350 with the 400M and never
-got over 10 with it.  It didn't weigh as much as
-this one either.
-
-Jason
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-  On Sunday 01-25-98, 10:03 pm, Dave and all said:
--We have been over this subject sooooo many times
--and I thought I would throw in my experiences as
--well(since i never have) My 97' F-350 CC
--4x4(4:10,auto) now has slightly over 3000 miles on
--it and is driven a good mix of city and highway.
It
--has an aluminum toolbox cap on the back and has
--usually about 1000# of tools in the back. As of
the
--last 2 tanks of fuel on mostly highway driving the
--MPG was 14.3 and this is by far the best I have
--gotten. It was about 11 on the tanks before.This
is
--much better than the 8 mpg the 460 in a 97' SC it
--replaced so I don't complain. Hey, I ordered a
chip
--that is sure to cost me some MPG but if you can't
--afford to feed them,then sell them and get a
--Metro.(you can get 3 for the cost of a PSD)
--Will the MPG go up after the break
--in......probably... but say it goes up 20%, that
is
--still only 3 mpg at best.Some people make some
very
--outrageous claims on MPG... and I laugh and say
--...yea right and santa is real too, must be using
--"new math" in the calculation.
--The point is ....who cares, you bought it, if you
--didn't do the research and knew going in what you
--were getting, then SORRY CHARLIE, live with it or
--sell it to someone else.
--Headhunter....you are too cool to lose from this
--page....tell this chump to bite a big one.   BKC 
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--  On Sunday 01-25-98, 06:15 pm, Jason said:
---I really hate repeating myself.  If you want to
do
---this kind of stuff, use e-mail.  Don't clog up
-this
---conference with these useless posts.  It's really
---getting to be ridiculous.  No one else cares
about
---it or wants to read it.
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---Jason
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---  On Sunday 01-25-98, 05:01 pm, Dave said:
----Ray,
----
----If I may quote your reply:
----
-------mean to sound testy, but these are trucks and
---not
-------so foreign made, cramp your ass little itty
---bitty
-------truck.  You have a "Man's Truck" and quit
-------complaining about the little shit.
----
----so, don't get on me about language. I could
-regard
----the entirety of your response as vulgar, foul,
or
----whatever, as it totally failed to respond to the
----questions posed in my post, and instead was a
--paean
----to how great your truck is, how I shouldn't be
----complaining and instead, presumably act like the
----owner of a "Man's Truck", etc. My impression is
----that your response was substantially devoid of
----facts.
----
----I'm very happy for you that you can afford to
-take
----the considerable financial losses associated
with
----disposing of any truck that fails to meet your
----expectations. I myself prefer to hold the
----manufacturer up to mine. I value tigh