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ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1937756 - 08/09/04 09:28 PM
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Any ideas on which ones and why? Haven't decided yet, but am very close. Also, does ART give DieselStop members a discount? I'm leaning towards ART because they also have the rear rotors.
Thanx, JP
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1937885 - 08/09/04 10:24 PM
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similar concerns.. no answers.. please let me know about any input that you get. thanks.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1937953 - 08/09/04 10:58 PM
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I got 10 bucks off my order from ART, $585.00 for Front Rotors, Rear Drums, and Performance Friction carbon metallic pads all around. No real discount to speak of and I waited a good six weeks for delivery.
ART rotors are basically just treated OEM items. They are slotted, frozen and then coated with something that looks like gold anodization. I'm happy with mine so far.
I believe that PF rotors are custom and of their own design. I would be curious to hear how well they work.
EGR also makes some custom brake parts for our trucks. Carolina Clutch is another.
One thing is that if you select a rotor/pad combination that is more aggressive than OEM as I have done you need to consider changing your brake fluid to something a bit drier and heat resistant. The factory fluid in our brakes is pretty dry but accumulates moisture which can become a factor when you start generating large amounts of heat.
Same with the caliper pin lube. You need something that can take some heat. The factory silicon pin lube is pretty good (Motorcraft XG-3).
good luck,
Scott
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938242 - 08/10/04 04:30 AM
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If you go with ART, be prepared to wait and wait and wait. Like my new rotors, but they took forever to get there, not good when you need new rotors in a hurry. Mine also took 6 weeks. Another option is www.frozenrotors.com. Little bit more money, but theirs was ready to ship.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938273 - 08/10/04 06:27 AM
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One thing is that if you select a rotor/pad combination that is more aggressive than OEM as I have done you need to consider changing your brake fluid to something a bit drier and heat resistant. The factory fluid in our brakes is pretty dry but accumulates moisture which can become a factor when you start generating large amounts of heat.
Motul 600 is the top of the charts for brake fluid! It's less hydroscopic than other manufacturers offerings, and is rated to an honest 600 degrees. I had "lotsa fade" on my racing quad until I swapped to the Motul 600. I highly recommend it!!! 
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938382 - 08/10/04 09:06 AM
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If you're interested in ART's, you might try contacting Super Duty Headquarters, one of the sponsers. I got mine there from Ryan and he had them in stock. He's a great PSD supporter and has a mean one himself.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938391 - 08/10/04 09:17 AM
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I'm starting to get a slight vibration @ 16K miles  . This is the quote I got from frozen rotors. How much are the ARTs?
Quote:
Front Frozen Rotors $ 134.00 each
Front Pad set $ 77.49 the set
Slotting (if Desired) $ 45.00 per rotor
Freight $ 33.00 UPS Gnd - $77.49 - 3 day select
Product on hand for shipping
Call toll free to order or if you have questions 1-888-323-8456
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938443 - 08/10/04 09:57 AM
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I just put on a set of the Performance Friction rotors and "Z-Series" pads last night. Got them from Tom Haus of Carolina Clutch at the PowerFest Rally in Indy. What a difference!  If the limited braking I've done is any indicator, I'll step out on a limb and say that this may well be one of the best performance upgrades I've experienced on my truck. Can't wait to roll with my trailer and see just how good they are! Installs just like OEM, and the "cool factor" of two piece rotors is an added plus for me. Call Tom with questions. He's a great guy and really seems to know his stuff. I'll be on the phone with him today to get the rear PF "Z" pads. By the way, at 67k miles, the inboard side of my front rotors were starting to craze and had quite a bit of black hardening spots. The rotors were wearing pretty normal, with a little scoring starting to show. The inside pads were flaking badly. Slides were functioning perfectly on removal, so it was normal wear and tear. Lots of pad life left, but the condition of the pads are marginal. My vote is for PF.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938444 - 08/10/04 09:57 AM
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List price on the web site is $730 for front and rear rotors & pads. I don't think Performance Friction offers the rear rotors, only the fronts. Theirs are $595 for front rotors and pads, and rear pads. Thats thru Carolina Clutch.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938451 - 08/10/04 10:02 AM
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Your fronts are the ones that take the abuse. Normally 70+% of braking force is supplied by the fronts. That's why so many folks are going well past 100k on the rears. I have no affiliation with PF or Carolina Clutch, just very happy with the brakes.
Robb
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938487 - 08/10/04 10:18 AM
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I do not think those %braking front and rear are correct. I believe FMTRVT has posted closer to 50/50 but maybe Jack will jump in here sometime and correct me.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938494 - 08/10/04 10:22 AM
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Your fronts are the ones that take the abuse. Normally 70+% of braking force is supplied by the fronts. That's why so many folks are going well past 100k on the rears.
That's true because when braking, the weight of the vehicle shifts to the front axle.
With a heavy trailer sitting on the rear axle, the weight shift is less, so the rear brakes do more.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938504 - 08/10/04 10:30 AM
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Mr. Schira, I may have asked you before, I believe you have the ART's? I also know you kinda "baby" your X, but how long have you had the ART's, how many miles, and your usual unbiased opinion of them?
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938522 - 08/10/04 10:40 AM
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Mr. Schira, I may have asked you before, I believe you have the ART's? I also know you kinda "baby" your X, but how long have you had the ART's, how many miles, and your usual unbiased opinion of them?
I put ARTs on at about 200 miles. I have 2700 miles now. I didn't drive enough before to be able to give you a before/after comparison.
They seem to stop pretty good, if that means anything to you. Without a trailer, I can put the front passenger into the windshield. Well, at least I think that I can. Wifey finds no humor is such maneuvers.
Cad plated too, so they don't look all rusty.
OEM replacements will cost $400+. If you are going to replace the rotors/pads all around anyway, probably makes some sense to upgrade to PF, FrozenRotors or ARTS. But I can't tell you which are best.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938529 - 08/10/04 10:42 AM
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Jeff, you changed only the fronts, correct?
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938535 - 08/10/04 10:45 AM
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Jeff, you changed only the fronts, correct?
Nope. Full boat.
$650 to my door in December '02.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938586 - 08/10/04 11:23 AM
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Just made up my mind, ordered the ART's. $600 + shipping to the door. He assured me they would be shipped next week. We'll see.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1938673 - 08/10/04 12:42 PM
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Just made up my mind, ordered the ART's. $600 + shipping to the door. He assured me they would be shipped next week. We'll see.
Here is my experience
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1939122 - 08/10/04 06:36 PM
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ARTs are cheapest but your usually gonna wait for them. I got there rotors and pads on all four corners for around $600. It took around a month for them to show up. They work great for me tho, I can lock up 36's pretty easily, no fade or any other bs, and with like 6k miles on them they're wearing great.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1939422 - 08/10/04 09:32 PM
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Well, we'll see what happens. He said they would ship on Monday, and I should have them in about 4-5 days. I'll keep it posted.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1948062 - 08/16/04 08:57 PM
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So far, sounds good. Got an e-mail today with the UPS tracking #'s that said all the parts were shipped today, as promised. Should have them by the weekend. I'll let y'all know.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1950944 - 08/18/04 04:20 PM
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Cool. Let us know.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1957149 - 08/22/04 08:08 PM
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Got the Rotors & Pads on Friday as promised. Installed today, very nice quality, every thing fit nicely. Stops even nicer! Can't believe the difference, only problem is, the pads I took off were hardly worn at all! About 30,000 miles on em! Don't know what the problem was, the pistons were working fine, the rotors looked fine, I don't know. The wheel would shake violently when I would apply the brakes at a normal stop. The pedal would pulse. It does none of that now. Just stops very quick and very straight.
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Re: ART Rotors or Performance Friction?
#1960198 - 08/24/04 03:14 PM
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I have a complete set of ART rotors (all 4 corners with the Performance Friction pads) in my garage that I have had for a year (still in the original boxes and still in new condition). They never made it on my old '00 F-350 since I traded it in on a '03 F-150. I paid $660 for everything including shipping. I am willing to sell them for $600 shipping included. They will leave they day after I get payment (may have to wait for a personal check to clear though). Shipping will be UPS standard ground. Send me an email message or use the Contact Form on my Web Site.
Note: These are being sold as is (i.e. perfect condition like the day I received them). If you want insurance on the shipping that will be extra.
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