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Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G??
#794172 - 07/14/02 11:14 PM

Does any one have any experience with this tire? It is rated to to 3750 at 110 psi.

I am comparing this to the michlin 265 at 3400 lbs. I really dont want to but 4 tires right now but do need to upgrade my rear tires for the trailer I just bought.

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#794368 - 07/15/02 09:31 AM

You might want to check your wheels as well. I don't know if the stock wheels are rated for 110psi; the stock tires are only 80psi max. At the very least, I'd replace the stock valve stems with something designed for G tires.


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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#794389 - 07/15/02 09:57 AM

The most common use for the load range G, G-159 tires, are for trailer axles that need the weight capacity on single-wheel tandam axles without having to have 3 axles or duals.

With your F-250, you can severely overload your tow vehicle by over 1,600 pounds over the GVWR with stock 235/85R16E tires without overloading the rear tires. And with the optional 265/75R16E tires you can overload the GVWR by about 2,400 pounds without overloading the rear tires. But if overloaded by 2,400 pounds is not enough, you want to mount tires that will let you overload by over 3,000 pounds?

It sounds like you bought way too much trailer for your F-250.

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#794551 - 07/15/02 12:45 PM

My daughter has them on a 47 ft Sundowner trl. They have had to replace 6 in the last yr(less than 5k miles) they fly apart every time the go over 65mph

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#794662 - 07/15/02 02:33 PM

These guys are right you will have to look at your wheel ratings before you put on 12ply tires because a heavyduty tire is no good if the wheel can't take the load. The 12ply Goodyears do have a speed rating and if you start exceeding it then you end up building to much heat in the tire and it fails.

These tires work good on those funny looking GMC Coe trucks W4 and W5s because they run LT-235/85R16s and they need the 12 ply tires to carry the weight these trucks can haul. They do run heavy steel wheels so they can handle the load a P+D buddy of mine has one of these trucks and carries 10,000lbs on the truck regularly and 3/4 of the load is carried on the front axle .

Myself I wouldn't run a Goodyear tire on my trucks they just seem to fall apart or fail too fast when you work them hard. Every Goodyear tire I have bought has gotten bad sidewall checking and deep splits in the sidewalls and broken belts etc.

If your concerned about load carrying capacity better get a dually truck then you have 4 tires to play with on the back

KW



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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#794786 - 07/15/02 04:35 PM

SMOKEY YOU MISSED THE POINT ENTIRELY
I am not looking for a tire that will allow me to go further in the weight dept but to safely carry the load I have,which is within the range of the tires that were offered by ford as optional tires.

The info on rims is understood and I will look into it. I most likely will not go with the g159 unless I get positive feedback. I did talk to a reliable tire dealer but was less than satisified with their responce "you are only over by xxx lbs per tire dont worry about it"

IMO there is no real difference between a F250/350 srw in their real life capabilities.

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#795417 - 07/16/02 08:39 AM

Get some 19.5" Rickson wheels. All the wheel you will need with all the G-rated tire you will need. I have Michelin XDE M/S on mine. Great tire, excellent traction, and carries my camper with capacity to spare. Get the aluminum wheels if you can swing it. The steel ones are VERY heavy.

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#795462 - 07/16/02 09:35 AM

"SMOKEY YOU MISSED THE POINT ENTIRELY
I am not looking for a tire that will allow me to go further in the weight dept but to safely carry the load I have. . ."

No, he didn't. If the OEM tires (235-85R-16E or 265-75R-16E) on your F250 are overloaded, you've already dangerously exceeded GVWR and GAWR. Putting on tires with a higher load rating will not miraculously eliminate your vehicle/axle overload condition.

". . .there is no real difference between a F250/350 srw. . ."

That's basically true - the F350 SRW only gives you another 1100 lb capacity. But with the load you're hauling (based on the scale readings you posted in another thread), you'd still be dangerously overloaded. The simple fact of the matter is that you don't have enough truck for the load you're trying to haul.

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#796140 - 07/16/02 07:42 PM

I had G159s on the rear of my truck for a couple of years. I put in steel valve stems and never went over 100# of air. I believe that someone told me that the wheels where good for 3700 something #. I found out that there are two different treads. Hwy and all season. I got the hwy because I didnt check that there was a choice. Found out later. Which is the main reason I replaced them. Here in NM it does snow and the hwy tread wouldnt even get me up a small dirt hill with just the truck and no snow. I replaced them with the Goodyear AT/S 265 75 16s.
I find they ride much nicer then the g159 (which are all steel three ply side walls and very heavy).

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#796307 - 07/16/02 10:41 PM

Fulltimer

Thanks for your informative post relating your experience with the tires in question. I am not a tire expert by any means but realize I will need to change to a higher load capacity tire to safely carry the load I have, The g159s are what the previous owner of my trailer was running on the front with Mich. LTX A/S on the rear of his 97 F350 SRW. I believe he mentioned wear and traction problems when they were on the rear.

It seems some never stop expressing their opions about gvw.Even when not related to the thread

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#796671 - 07/17/02 09:31 AM

"It seems some never stop expressing their opions about gvw.Even when not related to the thread"

Not opinion. Fact. Neither different tires nor fuzzy math will miraculously ameliorate your dangerously overloaded rig, increase your GAWR or increase your GVWR. You will still be seriously overloaded.

The facts are that you are grossly exceeding the design and safety limits of your F250 when you hook it up to that Sundowner. Period. And that's not my opinion. That's what Ford says in plain English in your owner's manual.

At a minimum, you'd need an F350 DRW to safely pull that trailer.

And not related to the thread? Heck, son, you're the one who started this thread in the first place.

Edited by Bruce Snyder (07/17/02 10:14 AM)

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#798741 - 07/18/02 10:43 PM

Bruce
Just for you I will peel the label off the side of my truck and replace it with a 350 label. Does that make you feel safer?
If I pulled this trailer fulltime or great distances I might be more concerned with the load rating weight, Right now my only concern is to get a tire rated to carry the load of my trailer.
There is no fuzzy math, I know exactly what I am asking my vehicle to do.
A DRW will not work for the 99.9% of the time I am not pulling this trailer.
Your opinion of gvw has absolutely nothing to due with whether a G159 tire is good or bag. I have been a member of this site for a long time and seen these kind of debates before. I decided for myself if a srw was sufficent for my needs. Even Smokey has admitted his latest 5er places him slightly overweight.If you want to continue preaching the gvw manual please find another audience.

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#798860 - 07/19/02 12:41 AM

My F350 has load range E tires on it and that's all it needs to cover the rear axle weight rating. Two 3420lb tires totals the 6840lb axle rating. Why do you need G tires?

And if you do need G tires, how are you getting around being over your axle rating?

Personally, I don't understand why my GVWR can't be 12,040lbs since my front axle is 5200lb and my rear axle is 6840lbs. But I wouldn't be going over either axle rating intentionally myself.


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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#799102 - 07/19/02 09:37 AM

Doesn't have anything to do with me feeling safer. Nor does it have anything to do with my opinion, because it's not my opinion. It's the vehicle manufacturer's design specs and warnings against overloading. It's in your owner's manual in plain English. Maybe you ought to read it sometime. It does, in fact, have everything to do with GVWR and GAWR, which you are exceeding by over a ton, according to the scale figures that you posted. It doesn't matter what tire you get or what load it's rated at, you will still be severely overloaded.

And yes, Smokey admits he's overweight, probably by about 500-700 lb. So? Does that mean that since an ol' retired CPA overloads his F250 by a quarter ton mean that it's okay for you to overload your F250 by more than a ton? If Smokey jumped off a footstool, would you jump off the Sears Tower? Sheesh!

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#799700 - 07/19/02 07:11 PM

mtk

My truck with the stock E tires is 3042 per tire if it was equiped with the optional 265 at 3415 per tire I would not be over rating my tire.
My question about the G159 was whether it is a good truck tire I do not intend to increase the load simply because of the higher load capacity.

Bruce I guess its up to you alone to determine how much over the ford gvw is ok. Give it a rest, I am asking about a tire that is all.

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Re: Goodyear G159 235-85-16 load range G?? new
#800313 - 07/20/02 05:06 PM

I have been running G159/G's on my smallest trailer (now on 3 x 8k Dexters with disc brakes) for a few years, once loaded near their rated load and now at around 3k each on the heavier axles. I find that they are not real happy at 3500, but now get reasonable life from them at 3k. Ususally cruise at 65, but occassionally throw a few thousand miles on at 75. Had failures when heavy, especially on logging roads. They are actually rated as 14 ply tires (sorry KW)intended for medium truck duty, but are pretty heavy and un-yielding for a light truck.

Pat

Edited by Pat Dolan (07/20/02 05:08 PM)

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