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Air Filter/AirBox Study at Banks: The Results Are In! Part 1
#734965 - 05/10/02 12:36 AM

Preliminary Flow Bench Test Report on Selected Air Filters and Related Air Box Housings for the 1999-2002 Ford Powerstroke Diesel in F-250/350/450/550 Superduty Truck And Excursion Applications

Part 1.


THE SWEET SPOT!

In reply to:

If the sweet spot is 22 to 1, then, to put more fuel in at an air/fuel ratio of 22 to 1, YOU NEED MORE AIR. Otherwise, it just goes… SMOKE!

Gale Banks - April 8, 2002




I'll tell ya what smoke is. Smoke is what I'd be if I didn't hurry up and get some of this stuff posted.

Smoke is what has been billowing in my brain … trying to make sense of what I learned on the flowbench about these air filters and airboxes a month ago. Smoke is what has been burning my eyes, with all of the textbook reading during the 31 days since on gas properties, fluids, thermodynamics, air density, and oh yes, air filtration.

Smoke is what Gale did to more than a half day of painstakingly gathered data when we accidentally discovered a possible variable in the process that could potentially render non-repeatable readings. “Get rid of all the old data,” Gale fumed. He continued, (in my own paraphrasing) “It’s no good whatsoever if there is a possibility of errors.” But we worked so long and hard on it, I protested, desiring to keep at least a copy of the old readings, just for reference or comparison. “No, throw them away,” Gail fired back. “They serve no purpose if they are inaccurate, and could confuse us down the road.” Troy Larson, Manager of the Instrumentation and Test Group, smoked all the bad data out of the computer. As we began a clean sheet repeat of ALL of the previous testing, with the variable fixed, Gale related a story out of his engineering past when confusion with old data almost happened. He caught it in time, but not without a bit of frustration. Today, Gale literally tears up any suspect data, and starts over again.

When it comes to considering air filters, I needed to start over again, too. Smoke is what remains of my previous assumptions about the flow capacity of certain air filter’s and their boxes, assumptions now burnt to ashes as a result of our preliminary flowbench tests. Smoke is what some after market air filter products could be going up in soon, if forthcoming instrumented on-vehicle and dyno testing bears out what was discovered recently on the flow bench. Now that will be some smoke, considering the prices fetched for those aftermarket products. I wouldn’t want to be near the fire.

I’d rather be in the sweet spot.

The sweet spot had to have been where I was standing on April 5 and April 8: In the middle the racing shop of Gale Banks Engineering, with Gale Banks to the left, Troy Larson to the right, a calibrated flow bench in front of us, a whole stack of PSD air filters and air boxes behind us, and a common desire to test, not guess, within us. Ringing in our ears in the foreground was the shopvac-on-steroids howl of the stereo suction blowers under the Superflow bench we were working with, and in the background through the walls was the blood curdling scream of my poor truck on the chassis dynamometer outside the building, turning 3,200 death defying RPMs. While the dyno testing to establish a baseline power level with my particular Powerpack was a separate operation from this preliminary flow bench evaluation of air filters, both events together embodied Gale Banks following through with each promise, never flinching from any challenge presented, and overall being a gracious host. Every PSD owner is a beneficiary of this air box/filter evaluation, since the information may prove useful in making air intake performance and/or maintenance decisions. Gale Banks, John Espino, Troy Larson, and the rest of the company deserve public thanks for opening their facilities and making very intelligent staff and excellent equipment available, despite enormously pressing priorities in many other directions. To be able to participate in this process, and to share it with fellow members of Ford.Diesel.com… that is indeed the sweet spot.


HAVE AT IT!


In reply to:

"Yeah, I’m real curious… Let’s de-rig this and have at it."

Gale Banks – April 5, 2002






Preliminaries and introductions are what we are taught to write in school, but as time-crunched adults, we often skip over the “story” to get right to the “hard data,” and only skim that data briefly enough to get to the “bottom line.” The eye of human nature quickly skims the lines to scan for the highest and lowest numbers, note the associated products, and Done: Conclusion Drawn.

In this case, which air filter is best? I would rather draw the discovery process out more. (Obviously, by the time it has taken me to post this, which is only 25% of the material prepared) Yet, in this write-up, if I venture much further now in describing the test parameters, equipment identification, ambient conditions, range limitations, and additional background information on the products gathered as recently as this morning … it might get skipped over anyway. So I’ll post all the laboriously prepared details about how the flowbench works, who makes it, what it uses to measure, how it relates with the software, etc. later. To quickly satiate the skimmers and scrollers by putting up this test table first, and highlighting the product and the CFM, it is hoped that the appetite will be wetted to wonder why the results are as they are, as my appetite was wetted while discovering them. Although this data was gathered with care, an impartial machine, and without any bias on my part, it is still not yet worthy of drawing any quick conclusion from.

A professional class flowbench of the caliber found at Gale Banks Engineering is a useful tool for first order approximation. It beats looking at the air box and filter and just guessing. It beats paying for a product, installing it, and justifying the effort and expense with the “feeling” of the seat of the pants. But a flowbench is not a truck laboring on a 7 percent grade sucking wind while stuck behind a dusty gravel dump. It will not determine how quickly it will take for a filter to load up with dirt to a greater than recommended restriction. And it will not, on it’s own, determine any net power gain to be derived from using a particular filter and airbox combination without the assistance of other data , and without verification by dyno testing. While I have already done some limited dyno testing with selected air filters in a stock air box prior to establishing a baseline performance level on the Banks dyno, the level of instrumentation was meager compared to how Banks engineers dyno products under evaluation or development. Unless and until the air boxes and filters in this study get tested while mounted in the truck on the dyno under those highly instrumented and controlled conditions, the results of the flowbench data will remain limited to how well mostly clean filters flow while sitting stationary inside a building.

On the other hand, all things being thus made equal, some filters and air boxes flowed more air while sitting stationary in that building than others. It doesn’t take much of a leap of faith to believe that the higher flowing filters might stand a better chance to flow more air in other conditions as well.

While we only sought to evaluate how air filters and their commensurate boxes flow air, of equal if not much greater importance is how they filter air. This aspect of the equation remains completely unconsidered in the work below. There are industry standard tests, such as the SAE J726 Contaminant Capacity/Efficiency Test, that identify the performance level of automotive air filters in the form of Dirt Holding Capacity in Grams at a specified Restriction in CFM for a determined Efficiency in Percent. Strict methodologies respecting particulate size, rate of introduction into the flow stream, duration of feed, weighing of the clean and loaded filter, and other aspects of this testing render it out of the scope of capabilities available at Banks Engineering. The filter manufacturer’s themselves often use independent labs to perform this and other standardized filter evaluations, such as the AC and Visteon water soak tests. It is likely that data provided by the filter manufacturer’s from the results of these independent tests will be all that is available to compare, unless such a lab is hired by Banks, myself, or perhaps you… to verify those claims.

Finally, even controlled dyno testing, complete with twin giant squirrel cage blowers facing the front of the truck to simulate 60 mph headwinds, should be supplemented by instrumented on-vehicle testing on the road. Banks is capable of doing this, and has done so before. While controlled steady state conditions are important for fairly comparing product-to-product performance data, real world conditions are hardly controlled. How does one assess the effects of crosswinds stronger than headwinds? 18 wheeler drafts? Weird turbulence? No wind at all? Searing desert heat on a hot, treeless, asphalt stretch to infinity? Light snow flurries, where the wispy flakes of crystals float lighter than the wind, easily sucked in by the “ram-air,” flying past any drainage provision in the air box only to then condense on the filter and freeze dam the flow? Engineering for the worst cases of real life is a heavy burden, even if only an imaginary one. Flowbenches and dyno’s are the indices of the ideal. How do we bridge to the realm of the real?

Therefore continue wading into this report with this bifold caution: that full absorption of the background data that will eventually follow this table, plus vigilant maintenance of the perspective that the data contained herein is inconclusive to date, are both critical to understanding the results within the contextual framework of the testing intent.

Thus armed, let’s de-rig this prose and have at it:



TEST RESULT TABLE



Air Box: Western Diesel Turbo Ram Air
Box Characteristics: Complete air box replacement system. Baffled inlet air scoop occupies top frontal grille opening area, requires lowering A/C condenser and reorienting battery longitudinally, tray provided.
Note: As this is a non standard aftermarket induction system, full dimensions of airbox, inlet, filter surface area, the crossectional area of various planes of flow through the ducting and at the filter port shall be added to this description or to an addendum to this report as time and opportunity allow.
Box Applicability: Manufacturer states shall fit all SuperDuty F Series and Excursions 1999-2002
Note: Entire air box fully assembled with seams secured with duct tape for bench testing purposes
Box Manufacturer: Western Diesel, contracted suppliers unknown
Air Filter: Western Diesel, proprietary
Filter Characteristics: Conical shaped open cell foam air filter
Filter Manufacturer: Western Diesel, contracted suppliers unknown
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Step Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 9
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 628.8 CFM



Air Box: 2001.5 – 2002 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box 1C3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Third known OEM revision, with new stabilizer post in lid, closure guides in base, revised (thicker) lid tab retainers, and deeper filter baffle designed for a 3” thick paper filter
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 11/25/2000 and newer; retrofittable to all Super Duty F Series, including early 1999, and early Excursions, with completion of TSB Article 01-9-5
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New Motorcraft 1710 FCSD Parts & Service Version 1C3Z-9601-AA
Filter Characteristics: Black polyurethane gasket surround, 76 folded pleats, large open diamond thin web expanded metal of .035” major diameter, two parallel glue bead stiffening strips across pleats
Filter Manufacturer: (Still investigating)
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 761.4 CFM



Air Box: 2001.5 – 2002 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box 1C3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Third known OEM revision, with new stabilizer post in lid, closure guides in base, revised (thicker) lid tab retainers, and deeper filter baffle designed for a 3” thick paper filter
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 11/25/2000 and newer; retrofittable to all Super Duty F Series, including early 1999, and early Excursions, with completion of TSB Article 01-9-5
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: Used Motorcraft 1710 Original Equipment Version 1C3U-9601-AA
Filter Characteristics: Orange polyurethane gasket surround, 56 folded pleats, small open diamond thick web expanded metal of .045” major diameter, cross-flow alternating gap emboss pattern on phenolic media
Filter Manufacturer: Dana Corporation, Wix Filter Division
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 776.0 CFM




Air Box: 2001.5 – 2002 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box 1C3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Third OEM revision for application, with new stabilizer post in lid, closure guides in base, revised (thicker) lid tab retainers, and deeper filter baffle designed for a 3” thick paper filter
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 11/25/2000 and newer; retrofittable to all Super Duty F Series, including early 1999, and early Excursions, with completion of TSB Article 01-9-5
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New Wix #46648
Filter Characteristics: Orange polyurethane gasket, expanded metal screen, embossed pleats, equivalent in features to the final version of the OE Ford 1680, but not necessarily to variants of Motorcraft FA-1680
Filter Manufacturer: Dana Corporation, Wix Filters
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 780.4 CFM




Air Box: 1999.5 – 2001 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box XC3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Second OEM revision for application, designed to eliminate several problems found in original 1999 fender well inlet system, and to coordinate air induction with battery cooling (per the mfr.)
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 12/07/1998 and newer; formerly retrofittable to all previous Super Duty F Series from 1/98 to 12/7/98 equipped with original F81A-9600-AA box per TSB Article 98-16-11, superceded by 99-6-4. Box (XC3U) is now obsolete, as is the box (F81A) it replaced.
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New Motorcraft 1710 FCSD Parts & Service Version 1C3Z-9601-AA
Filter Characteristics: Black polyurethane gasket surround, 76 folded pleats, large open diamond thin web expanded metal of .035” major diameter, two parallel glue bead stiffening strips across pleat crown face
Filter Manufacturer: (Still investigating)
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 791.3 CFM




Air Box: 2001.5 – 2002 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box 1C3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Third OEM revision for application, with new stabilizer post in lid, closure guides in base, revised (thicker) lid tab retainers, and deeper filter baffle designed for a 3” thick paper filter
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 11/25/2000 and newer; retrofittable to all Super Duty F Series, including early 1999, and early Excursions, with completion of TSB Article 01-9-5
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New Motorcraft FA-1680
Filter Characteristics: Orange polyurethane gasket, other data to be redetermined. Note that the number of variant versions of the Motorcraft 1680 and/or the equivalent Ford OE 1680 has not yet been established
Filter Manufacturer: Dana Corporation, Wix Filters Mfr. subject to re-verification
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 791.4 CFM




Air Box: 1999.5 – 2001 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box XC3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Second OEM revision for application, designed to eliminate several problems found in original 1999 fender well inlet system, and to coordinate air induction with battery cooling (per the mfr.)
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 12/07/1998 and newer; formerly retrofittable to all previous Super Duty F Series from 1/98 to 12/7/98 equipped with original F81A-9600-AA box per TSB Article 98-16-11, superceded by 99-6-4. Box (XC3U) is now obsolete, as is the box (F81A) it replaced.
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New Motorcraft 1710 Original Equipment Version 1C3U-9601-AA
Filter Characteristics: Orange polyurethane gasket surround, 56 folded pleats, small open diamond thick web expanded metal of .045” major diameter, cross-flow alternating gap emboss pattern on phenolic media
Filter Manufacturer: Dana Corporation, Wix Filter Division
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 803.2 CFM

Note: The combination immediately above was re-tested again as an exception comparator for OE snorkel flow effects, detailed later in this study, but not listed in this particular report. As configured above, the second average CFM was 806.1.




Air Box: 2001.5 – 2002 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box 1C3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Third OEM revision for application, with new stabilizer post in lid, closure guides in base, revised (thicker) lid tab retainers, and deeper filter baffle designed for a 3” thick paper filter
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 11/25/2000 and newer; retrofittable to all Super Duty F Series, including early 1999, and early Excursions, with completion of TSB Article 01-9-5
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: Used Gale Banks Engineering Ram-Air ‘99.5 – ‘01 Part Number 41511
Filter Characteristics: Oiled Cotton Gauze captured in a fine AL wire mesh screen on both sides of a pleated panel filter designed as a drop-in OE replacement for the XC3U-9600-AA factory air box. Similar to K&N panel replacement filter, also tested in this study. Gasket compounding noticeably differs in material density and durometer (hardness) from the K&N equivalent. A highly subjective characterization of the difference would be that this filter (S&B) gasket is “softer” and “stickier” to the touch. Gasket sealing profile, peripheral shape, and attachment to the filter media is also notably different from K&N. Partly due to the position of the media to the gasket, and partly due to the shallower crown to valley depth of the pleat, unlike the K&N, this filter remains remarkably unaffected by the new stabilizer post found in the lid of the updated Ford 1C3U-9600-AA airbox. Fibers in the filter media are the same as or similar to the natural cotton gauze in K&N, and are specifically and verifiably not synthetic fibers.
Filter Pleat Height: .947” clean side crown exterior to dirty side crown exterior, using micrometer.
Filter Pleat Count: 34 crowns, counted from dirty side. Additional 2 crowns at either end cast in gasket.
Note: Gale Banks Engineering may contract with various filter manufacturers for supplying Ram-Air branded filters that meet Bank’s specifications. As of this writing, Banks Ram-Air filters offered for the PSD application are being supplied by K&N, even though the filter in this particular configuration was not.
Filter Manufacturer: S & B Pow-R-Plus Filters, Model 66-2123
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 807.7 CFM




Air Box: 1999.5 – 2001 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box XC3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Second OEM revision for application, designed to eliminate several problems found in original 1999 fender well inlet system, and to coordinate air induction with battery cooling (per the mfr.)
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 12/07/1998 and newer; formerly retrofittable to all previous Super Duty F Series from 1/98 to 12/7/98 equipped with original F81A-9600-AA box per TSB Article 98-16-11, superceded by 99-6-4. Box (XC3U) is now obsolete, as is the box (F81A) it replaced.
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: Used Motorcraft 1710 Original Equipment Version 1C3U-9601-AA
Filter Characteristics: Orange polyurethane gasket surround, 56 folded pleats, small open diamond thick web expanded metal of .045” major diameter, cross-flow alternating gap emboss pattern on phenolic media
Filter Manufacturer: Dana Corporation, Wix Filter Division
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 810.3 CFM




Air Box: 2001.5 – 2002 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box 1C3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Third OEM revision for application, with new stabilizer post in lid, closure guides in base, revised (thicker) lid tab retainers, and deeper filter baffle designed for a 3” thick paper filter
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 11/25/2000 and newer; retrofittable to all Super Duty F Series, including early 1999, and early Excursions, with completion of TSB Article 01-9-5
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New K&N Engineering Filtercharger NA-33-2138
Filter Characteristics: Oiled Cotton Gauze captured in a fine wire mesh screen on both sides of a pleated panel filter designed as a drop in OE replacement for the XC3U-9600-AA factory air box. Similar to S&B panel replacement filter, also tested in this study. Fibers in the filter media of the K&N are multi-layered, reportedly 5 layers of 100% surgical cotton. Gasket compounding noticeably differs in material density and durometer (hardness) from the S&B equivalent. A highly subjective characterization of the difference would be that this filter (K&N) gasket is “harder” and “slicker” to the touch. Gasket sealing profile, peripheral shape, and attachment to the filter media is also notably different from the S&B. Gasket surround has two locating/orientation tabs that align with outboard end of air box. Partly due to the position of the media to the gasket, and partly due to the higher crown to valley depth of the pleat, unlike the S&B, this filter is easily damaged by the new stabilizer post found in the lid of the updated Ford 1C3U-9600-AA airbox. A “virgin” K&N 33-2138 filter was removed from the package and installed in the latest 1C3U air box for testing purposes, and within this test 3 pleat crowns on the clean side were found to be deformed, with the wire mesh punctured. This problem does not exist in the earlier XC3U box for which this filter was designed, and can be overcome in the later box by reducing the length of the interior lid post by 5 mm. K&N has announced a forthcoming redesign of the filter for simple drop-in applications to the 1C3U box.
Filter Pleat Height: 1.245” clean side crown exterior to dirty side crown exterior, using micrometer.
Filter Pleat Count: 36 crowns, counted from dirty side. Additional 2 crowns at either end cast in gasket.
Filter Manufacturer: K&N Engineering, Inc.
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 814.7 CFM




Air Box: 1999.5 – 2001 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box XC3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Second OEM revision for application, designed to eliminate several problems found in original 1999 fender well inlet system, and to coordinate air induction with battery cooling (per the mfr.)
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 12/07/1998 and newer; formerly retrofittable to all previous Super Duty F Series from 1/98 to 12/7/98 equipped with original F81A-9600-AA box per TSB Article 98-16-11, superceded by 99-6-4. Box (XC3U) is now obsolete, as is the box (F81A) it replaced.
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New FRAM 8925
Filter Characteristics: Pleated paper replacement filter. Paper is whiter in color, an indication of a different type of treatment process than the Wix or Motorcraft pleated paper filters evaluated in this study. A more detailed description is in development.
Filter Pleat Height: Approximately 2 inches. Very similar in size to any version of the 1680
Filter Pleat Count: To be determined
Filter Manufacturer: Honeywell Consumer Products Group (Formerly AlliedSignal)
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 823.6 CFM




Air Box: 1999.5 – 2001 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box XC3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Second OEM revision for application, designed to eliminate several problems found in original 1999 fender well inlet system, and to coordinate air induction with battery cooling (per the mfr.)
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 12/07/1998 and newer; formerly retrofittable to all previous Super Duty F Series from 1/98 to 12/7/98 equipped with original F81A-9600-AA box per TSB Article 98-16-11, superceded by 99-6-4. Box (XC3U) is now obsolete, as is the box (F81A) it replaced.
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New Motorcraft FA-1680
Filter Characteristics: Orange polyurethane gasket, other data to be redetermined. Note that the number of variant versions of the Motorcraft 1680 and/or the equivalent Ford OE 1680 has not yet been established
Filter Manufacturer: Dana Corporation, Wix Filters, subject to re-verification
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 823.9.CFM





Air Box: 1999.5 – 2001 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box XC3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Second OEM revision for application, designed to eliminate several problems found in original 1999 fender well inlet system, and to coordinate air induction with battery cooling (per the mfr.)
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 12/07/1998 and newer; formerly retrofittable to all previous Super Duty F Series from 1/98 to 12/7/98 equipped with original F81A-9600-AA box per TSB Article 98-16-11, superceded by 99-6-4. Box (XC3U) is now obsolete, as is the box (F81A) it replaced.
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New Wix #46648
Filter Characteristics: Orange polyurethane gasket, expanded metal screen, embossed pleats, equivalent in features to the final version of the OE Ford 1680, but not necessarily to variants of Motorcraft FA-1680
Filter Manufacturer: Dana Corporation, Wix Filters
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 828.1 CFM




Air Box: 1999.5 – 2001 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box XC3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Second OEM revision for application, designed to eliminate several problems found in original 1999 fender well inlet system, and to coordinate air induction with battery cooling (per the mfr.)
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 12/07/1998 and newer; formerly retrofittable to all previous Super Duty F Series from 1/98 to 12/7/98 equipped with original F81A-9600-AA box per TSB Article 98-16-11, superceded by 99-6-4. Box (XC3U) is now obsolete, as is the box (F81A) it replaced.
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New K&N Engineering Filtercharger NA-33-2138
Filter Characteristics: Oiled Cotton Gauze captured in a fine wire mesh screen on both sides of a pleated panel filter designed as a drop in OE replacement for the XC3U-9600-AA factory air box. Similar to S&B panel replacement filter, also tested in this study. Fibers in the filter media of the K&N are multi-layered, reportedly 5 layers of 100% surgical cotton. Gasket compounding noticeably differs in material density and durometer (hardness) from the S&B equivalent. A highly subjective characterization of the difference would be that this filter (K&N) gasket is “harder” and “slicker” to the touch. Gasket sealing profile, peripheral shape, and attachment to the filter media is also notably different from the S&B. Gasket surround has two locating/orientation tabs that align with outboard end of air box. Partly due to the position of the media to the gasket, and partly due to the higher crown to valley depth of the pleat, unlike the S&B, this filter is easily damaged by the new stabilizer post found in the lid of the updated Ford 1C3U-9600-AA airbox. A “virgin” K&N 33-2138 filter was removed from the package and installed in the latest 1C3U air box for testing purposes, and within this test 3 pleat crowns on the clean side were found to be deformed, with the wire mesh punctured. This problem does not exist in the earlier XC3U box for which this filter was designed, and can be overcome in the later box by reducing the length of the interior lid post by 5 mm. K&N has announced a forthcoming redesign of the filter for simple drop-in applications to the 1C3U box.
Filter Pleat Height: 1.245” clean side crown exterior to dirty side crown exterior, using micrometer.
Filter Pleat Count: 36 crowns, counted from dirty side. Additional 2 crowns at either end cast in gasket.
Filter Manufacturer: K&N Engineering, Inc
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 851.9 CFM

Note: The combination immediately above was repeated, and is listed later, with higher results, at 854.8.




Air Box: 1999.5 – 2001 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box XC3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Second OEM revision for application, designed to eliminate several problems found in original 1999 fender well inlet system, and to coordinate air induction with battery cooling (per the mfr.)
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 12/07/1998 and newer; formerly retrofittable to all previous Super Duty F Series from 1/98 to 12/7/98 equipped with original F81A-9600-AA box per TSB Article 98-16-11, superceded by 99-6-4. Box (XC3U) is now obsolete, as is the box (F81A) it replaced.
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: Used Gale Banks Engineering Ram-Air ‘99.5 – ‘01 Part Number 41511
Filter Characteristics: Oiled Cotton Gauze captured in a fine AL wire mesh screen on both sides of a pleated panel filter designed as a drop-in OE replacement for the XC3U-9600-AA factory air box. Similar to K&N panel replacement filter, also tested in this study. Gasket compounding noticeably differs in material density and durometer (hardness) from the K&N equivalent. A highly subjective characterization of the difference would be that this filter (S&B) gasket is “softer” and “stickier” to the touch. Gasket sealing profile, peripheral shape, and attachment to the filter media is also notably different from K&N. Partly due to the position of the media to the gasket, and partly due to the shallower crown to valley depth of the pleat, unlike the K&N, this filter remains remarkably unaffected by the new stabilizer post found in the lid of the updated Ford 1C3U-9600-AA airbox. Fibers in the filter media are the same as or similar to the natural cotton gauze in K&N, and are specifically and verifiably not synthetic fibers.
Filter Pleat Height: .947” clean side crown exterior to dirty side crown exterior, using micrometer.
Filter Pleat Count: 34 crowns, counted from dirty side. Additional 2 crowns at either end cast in gasket.
Note: Gale Banks Engineering may contract with various filter manufacturers for supplying Ram-Air branded filters that meet Bank’s specifications. As of this writing, Banks Ram-Air filters offered for the PSD application are being supplied by K&N, even though the filter in this particular configuration was not.
Filter Manufacturer: S & B Pow-R-Plus Filters, Model 66-2123
Combination of this Air Box and Air Filter flowbench test results:
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 852.3 CFM




Air Box: 1999.5 – 2001 Ford Motor Company Stock Air Box XC3U-9600-AA
Box Characteristics: Second OEM revision for application, designed to eliminate several problems found in original 1999 fender well inlet system, and to coordinate air induction with battery cooling (per the mfr.)
Box Applicability: Original Equipment for build dates of 12/07/1998 and newer; formerly retrofittable to all previous Super Duty F Series from 1/98 to 12/7/98 equipped with original F81A-9600-AA box per TSB Article 98-16-11, superceded by 99-6-4. Box (XC3U) is now obsolete, as is the box (F81A) it replaced.
Box Manufacturer: Visteon Corporation
Air Filter: New K&N Engineering Filtercharger NA-33-2138
Filter Characteristics: Oiled Cotton Gauze captured in a fine wire mesh screen on both sides of a pleated panel filter designed as a drop in OE replacement for the XC3U-9600-AA factory air box. Similar to S&B panel replacement filter, also tested in this study. Fibers in the filter media of the K&N are multi-layered, reportedly 5 layers of 100% surgical cotton. Gasket compounding noticeably differs in material density and durometer (hardness) from the S&B equivalent. A highly subjective characterization of the difference would be that this filter (K&N) gasket is “harder” and “slicker” to the touch. Gasket sealing profile, peripheral shape, and attachment to the filter media is also notably different from the S&B. Gasket surround has two locating/orientation tabs that align with outboard end of air box. Partly due to the position of the media to the gasket, and partly due to the higher crown to valley depth of the pleat, unlike the S&B, this filter is easily damaged by the new stabilizer post found in the lid of the updated Ford 1C3U-9600-AA airbox. A “virgin” K&N 33-2138 filter was removed from the package and installed in the latest 1C3U air box for testing purposes, and within this test 3 pleat crowns on the clean side were found to be deformed, with the wire mesh punctured. This problem does not exist in the earlier XC3U box for which this filter was designed, and can be overcome in the later box by reducing the length of the interior lid post by 5 mm. K&N has announced a forthcoming redesign of the filter for simple drop-in applications to the 1C3U box.
Filter Pleat Height: 1.245” clean side crown exterior to dirty side crown exterior, using micrometer.
Filter Pleat Count: 36 crowns, counted from dirty side. Additional 2 crowns at either end cast in gasket.
Filter Manufacturer: K&N Engineering, Inc.
Test Pressure Setting: 25” water column restriction (static flow delta P)
Calibrated Orifice Setting for Optimal Range Accuracy in Flow Measurement: 10
Average of 30 readings after steady state established: 854.8 CFM

Note: The test immediately above is a repeat of the test before the test preceding it on this list.

A second run was see run to see if the best combination of OEM air box and new replacement panel filter could repeat itself. It obviously did. The test result immediately above happened to be the fourth test of the late afternoon on our “clean sheet repeat”, after we threw away all the work done earlier in the day because of the variable in the intake duct lashed to the machine. A more complete description of this variable shall be an additional installation to this report. In the meantime, at 854.8 CFM, this result loomed as the best recording of the day, and actually preceded the result for the same combination we repeated of later, at 851.9 CFM, as listed earlier.



OUT OF BREATH



Aren’t you? Believe it or not, there are 19 more unique air/filter combinations left to report in another installment! This makes a great pausing point, though, for several reasons. First, this fairly summarizes all of the evaluation of the stock air box with replacement filters. The other 19 tests involve air box deviations that may use parts of, but not all of the factory air induction pieces, placement, or hardware. The Western Diesel was an exception to the other aftermarket products for several reasons, including the fact that it was the only system that involved an entire replacement and re-arrangement of the existing air induction location, and even involved re-arrangement of other parts of the truck. And, the Western Diesel was already assembled and undergoing evaluation by Banks engineers prior to my arrival, so it was slated for the first day. Which brings us to another reason we can stop here. This ends the testing done Friday, April 5, a day that lingered on until 7:30 or 8:00 PM that night.

When I arrived back on Monday morning, April 8, I learned that Gale had come in to work on both Saturday and Sunday, to catch up on other projects that he might have doing Friday, if he wasn’t so busy holding up airboxes at the flowbench. Say what you want about Gale, but just make sure you include “relentless energy” and “dedicated to his business” when you're through.

Sometimes I try to explain an idea to Gale... usually it would turn out to be something that he had already done before I was born. Yet, in person, he patiently listened to me make an innocent fool of myself. And would you believe, I'm still not in agreement about the various tradeoffs with air filters yet? Some people need to be hit over the head with a brick. Hopefully, you learn easier than I do. You can see for yourself the results of Gale's thinking on the tests above. And you can see where my factory filter suggestions are in relationship to that. The list is ordered from the least flowing combination at the beginning, to the highest flowing combination at the end. The top three highest flowing systems, listed last, are derivatives of Gale Banks Power systems installations.

My suggestions for factory filters are somewhere nearer to the bottom of the flow priority barrel. You'll find them nearer to the top of the list. At least their not at the very, very top. The Western Diesel Turbo Ram Air snagged that distinguishment from me.

And to think, a little ol' cheap Fram outflowed us both.

You can also see that the newest factory airbox(1C3U) consistently flowed 35 to 50 CFM LESS than the intermediate factory airbox (XC3U) it replaced. It seemed clearly due to the lowering of the filter baffle by Ford and Wix engineers, done for the deeper (3") filter update. And what about that deeper pleat filter? Wouldn't you think that more exposed surface area, I mean a good 30% more... 3 inches per pleat versus 2 inches per pleat... would allow more opportunity for air to permeate a filtering membrane so sized? A one inch difference per pleat, that is like adding a whole 'nuther panel filter to the original one. Why is it then, that the Black 1710 consistently flows 20 CFM LESS than the variants of the 1680 filter it replaced?

And what about the Orange 1710. Not discontinued after all, only reserved for OE production. Open any new 2002 on a lot today, if you can still find one, crack open the air box. Orange.

Less pleats.
More flow.
Send me your recipies,
For delicious crow.


Gale Banks has a theory about why neither of the 1710's are flowing as high as the 1680... but rather than discuss it in this installment, I'd like to hear YOUR un-influenced comments as to why this occurs. Be sure and review the actual data first, don't take this cheap summary of mine as gospel... compare the data, goodness knows that is why I've spent UNTOLD HOURZZZZZ typing it all in. I probably have a good 5 or 6 hours in just editing the darn UBB code! Print it out, put it in a spread sheet! That is why the identifiying data is color coded.

Blue = Air Box
Red = Air Filter
Green = Air Flow



Monday’s tests revealed even higher flowing systems that replaced and/or deleted portions of the stock air box, and used conical air filters, often unsealed to the engine compartment. Look for that report in a few weeks, as I flesh out the data above over the next week. In the meantime, here is what Gale Banks has to say about some of those higher flowing air induction systems:

In reply to:

No device that adds to airflow should add to temperature at the same time. What you’re looking for is airflow AND lower temperature.

Gale Banks – April 8, 2002

(Said in response to my implying that a little derelict underhood heat would be eclipsed by the lower pressure drop of a more, conical open filter)




What I believe he is talking about here is AIR DENSITY, and, after being challenged several times by Troy Larson to bust out Boyle’s law, I’ve scribbled a few notes on that too, to be integrated with one of the installments of this article-in-progress.

Now I need to go out and get some air, and keep it cool.



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#735000 - 05/10/02 01:30 AM

Robyn,
Very nicely written and very thorough, I can't wait until the next chapter.
I just installed the TYMAR intake from "Dale1" today, did you test that one?
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#735118 - 05/10/02 08:23 AM

Robyn ,

Your project may be the most significant air filter / air flow
evaluation of the last 20 years - many manufacturers and
vendors will now rethink what they are doing .

To say "thank you" , does not seem nearly enough .

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#735119 - 05/10/02 08:25 AM

Robyn,
Real interesting reading you have there, way indepth etc etc.

Can you or Gale explain how the Western Diesel Turbo Ram Air system produces lower EGT's on the trucks it's been installed on (some have reported as much as 200 + degrees)?

Can the quicker spool up time of the turbo be explained, as well as the higher fuel MPG customers are constantly calling and reporting to us? Soem have claimed as much as 2 MPG, a bit much in my opinion, but reported to us by customers none the less.

If the system is lowering the amount of air the the engine over a stock system, maybe Western Diesel has hit upon a new idea, less air produces more power, better fuel mileage and better spool up of the turbo! Never has worked this way before with internal combustion engines ( gas or diesel) but who would have guessed it.

Questions to ponder for sure.

Mark Craig Western Diesel Performance

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#735129 - 05/10/02 08:38 AM

Yes, I'll be interested to see how the temps differ. The Ram-Air does something to reduce temps, at least on my truck anyway. Exactly what it is doing is a good question. I'll be very interested in the next step of testing.

Robyn, does Gale know how much cfm is required by the Power Stroke? Those numbers are all big enough to feed a pretty hungry big-block gas engine, but I've never seen anything about how much a diesel requires.

Jason

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#735233 - 05/10/02 10:27 AM

Jason:

Diesel wants an excess of air (at least 20x mass of fuel).

For a wild estimate, take BSFC x power to get mass of fuel required, so need about 20x that mass of air (at your calculated RPM) then correct for density after intercooler x volumetric efficiency to get actual mass of air going in, then convert to standard atmosphere to get mass of air on ohter side of turbo, the convert to volume and you have it. Sorry, can't do calc, am in panic to get truck & trailer done (Friday).

Agree that Robyn's work it VERY interesting. Have long suspected that stock airbox isn't all that bad, just by calculating areas going through. Have been saving up some filters to test when time is available, but this work should negate that need. Thanks Robyn.

To take up Mark's point, the only thing I would like to have seen is a flow bench in a truly "neutral" location.


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#735234 - 05/10/02 10:29 AM

Robyn,
Your a much bigger man than most! Just admitting what you did about the original test shows alot of integrety on your part! Now about the "crow" dinner, would you like the K&N baked, broiled or fried, and that includes a side order of the original 1710 at no charge!


Now why does the three inch pleat flow less than the two inch pleat? Ahhh the three in filter media has a much tighter weave, if you will, than the two inch pleat. By making the filter meduim denser they had to lengthen the filter pleat to obtain the same or close flow as the old filter. Am I close??
Thanks for a great article, I can't wait for the second installment.
See ya,
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#735238 - 05/10/02 10:32 AM

Just a thought on why the WD Ram Air came up short on the flow bench.

I assume you flowed it with the whole snorkel attached. Was the entire stock airbox, including the piping up to the back of the grill attached to the airbox when you flowed the stock airboxes? Did you simulate the area behind the grill where the stock airbox air feeds from? Funny how these things can make a difference on the flow bench.

Another point, I remember Smokey did some airbox testing, an acceleration test using a stopwatch from the cab. One of the interesting, unexplainable results was his truck was SLOWER when the Zoodad mod was open. The Zoodad mod provides more air to the stock airbox.

Again... More air is not good???

Sorry if the answers to my questions are in the long post, I only skimmed it. Will have time to fully digest it tonight. Can't wait for the next installments.

Great work guys, thanks!

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#735252 - 05/10/02 10:41 AM

Hey Robyn, did you test my filter? See sig...

Right now I'm running the updated 1710 while my WD filter dries...

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#735302 - 05/10/02 11:21 AM

"the only thing I would like to have seen is a flow bench in a truly "neutral" location"

I Would have to agree. Not to suggest anything here Robyn, but it is sometimes tough to get behind one company testing another companies product. I just read a report done by BD on the new Banks brake where their dyno test showed no horsepower gains at all, while Banks claims 15 I think. So who knows.

I of course have to agree with Mark, the results of the Ram Air installed on a truck do prove that it works. Maybe it is just the fact that it draws all of its air from outside the engine compartment. JS.

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#735427 - 05/10/02 01:03 PM

Outside Air is cooler and denser making for more Horsepower. Ram Air is one of the harder designs to prove the effectivness on a flow bench.

You have two factor to consider.

Air temp
and
Air pressure- At what speed does the ram effect start to happen?
I've heard anywhere from 75-100 mph.


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#735475 - 05/10/02 02:03 PM

On my old ZX-6 E3 with dual ram air, the Ram Air effect was useless below 80MPH...

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#735550 - 05/10/02 03:48 PM

Mark Craig

This should not come as a surprise to you. On this site, it has been reported many times that your filter would not flow as freely as a stock filter.

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#735590 - 05/10/02 04:32 PM

444-4D,

Yes it has been posted as such, however SAE J726 tests show a different result. Then again if you ask any of the cotton gauze manufacturers they will tell you the exact opposite I just told you!
Funny how each manufacturer sees data in their favor isn't it?

Not to mention the dirt that we keep out of the engine just like the stock paper filter does. You have to make a choice, all the possible air and dirt, or the vast majority of air and no dirt.

If your running a performance air filter I encourage everyone to remove the rubber hose from the valve cover (not form the air box lid) and check the amount of dirt collected in the oil vapor area around the crankcase ventilation outlet in the plastic air hose mount on the valve cover. If you've had the filter there for over 5000 miles or more you will be surprised. We chose to get you more air, yet protect the engine.

We have designed a filter that stops the dirt yet flows the air, especially with the Ram Air System.

Mark @ WD

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#735637 - 05/10/02 05:23 PM

Jason,

Part of the report that is "missing in action", and is to be included with later installments the more racy aftermarket filter housings, are about 3 pages of alternate calculations on CFM requirements... at specific RPMS, pressure differentials, and temperature differentials. Rather than post those yet, I wanted to wait until several calls into International came back. I have, after several weeks of trying not to make a heel out of myself, finally tracked down one or two of the engineers who actually worked on that aspect of the 7.3, and would really like their considerations first before posting any definitive statement on airflow requirements.

And I say guess work because of the assumed volumetric efficiency factor involved. And then people have different turbos, with differing A/R, different chips with differing ways to hold back the wastegate, etc. And then there are temperatures, barometric pressures, it can get as involved as you want I suppose.

In trying to estimate the peak air demand, in cfm, of a 444 cid turbocharged diesel, it was my hope that I can come up with a reasonably believable estimation without verified temperature data. The only reason for this is because most people only have BOOST guages installed, and don't have access to the thermistor information that the PCM receives from the IAT and the MAT, nor do most people add their own thermocouples like Banks does to all of his test mule trucks.

I am willing to make reasonable assumptions on temperature and barometric pressure, but how important are those numbers in a mere thumbnail equation for the purpose at hand, which is to determine if a particular air filter/air box combination is capable of flowing the engines peak demand air while at maximum allowable restriction... which is say 25 inches of water, an accepted benchmark amoung heavy duty turbodiesel engine manufactures.

A popular method for estimating CFM requirements for a natrually aspirated engine is as follows:

CFM = [CID x RPM x VE] / [2 x 1728]

Where:

"x" is my symbol for multiplicaton
"/" is my symbol for division, or a ratio

And where, although you may already know the acronyms, constants, and symbols, yet you may want to see if I am using them appropriately:

CFM = Cubic Feet Per Minute
CID = Cubic Inch Discplacement
RPM = Revolutions Per Minute
VE = Volumetric Efficiency
2 = 2 strokes per crank revolution (4 stroke engine)
1728 = conversion of cubic inches to cubic feet.

The question then becomes identifying a value for VE. Most people in this line of endeavor seem to agree that .85 is a reasonable value to use for a naturally aspirated (NA) engine. The NA VE numbers I have run across ranged from a low of .80 to a high of .90. Most were .85 . However, VE numbers for turbocharged (TC) engines, and turbocharged intercooled (TCI) engines, varied widely! I read of TC VE numbers from 1.2 to 1.8, and TCI VE numbers from 1.4 to 2.3. The average TCI VE of all of the material thus far reviewed seems to be 1.7. Intercooling makes a palpable difference in final efficiencies because of the great reduction in temperature.

The temperature drop across my Banks intercooler is 150 degrees, inlet to outlet... but like I said, I just don't want to think about temperature right now. I'm hard headed. I refuse to know. I'll plod along looking for a good VE...

I should be more clear at this point. When I said "reading" and "reviewing" and "materials" two paragraphs above, I am refering to papers and texts. I am not refering to readings from instrumentation, or calculations made from instrumented readings.

Anyway, besides temperature, notice there is no provision in the formula to account for boost pressure in a TC or TCI engine. Then, notice that because a boosted engine ENHANCES efficiency greater than the engine, as a pump, could do on its own, how do I pick an appropriate TC or TCI VE?

In the absence of a consistant guide on TC/TCI an due to the varibles alluded to earlier, might as well start searching for CFM requirements with what we have with that standard formula, and correct with the delta P and T ratios later.

Reviewing the definition of VE... a positive displacement pump property. A percentage of clearance volume defined as a proportion related to the swept volume of the pistons. Even while the importance of air density, the mass of air, or finding a density ratio determined by a ratio of absolute inlet and outlet temperatures multiplied by the ratio of absolute inlet and outlet pressures still loomed in my head, I wondered... if the flowbench machine is merely capable of measuring flow, maybe I could try to eliminate the mass of air, or the density ratio, from the equation. But I had better run fast before the truth catches up to me.

Prying around, I tried to reduce finding CFM by seeing how the actual flow (with and without boost) differed from the ideal flow potential dictated by the CID and my selected RPM of the engine. This would make the first equation above useful, even if for just a NA engine. If I found ideal airflow at a selected RPM for the 444 CID as a NA engine by first ignoring any VE factor, and then mulitiplied by the widely accepted NA VE of .85 to find an actual air flow, I might have something to multiply with when I determined a relative pressure ratio for the boosted TCI 444, provided I assumed that the NA version's pressure was atmospheric, and the temperatures were constant (or ignored). Now I am freely admitting ignoring something as important as temperature amidst the whine of the turbo's compression heat, but I'm thinking about the mitigating effects of the intercooler too...

Soldiering on, I first picked a peak "running" rpm a little higher than the rated peak horsepower rpm supplied by the engine manufacturer, based on my awareness that many of the people who would be interested in this study are running chips that manipulate fuel tables, boost allowance, and other parameters that in the end yeild greater dyno tested power at higher rpms. I mean like the top of the lungs yelling my truck has been doing lately on dyno's. I'll pick 3 grand on the tach.

Assuming intake, intercooler, and exhaust tracts have been modified and or optimized to handle the additional flow required to make use of the added fueling... the question then becomes if the air filter and housing it is contained in is capable of handling that flow demand. Basically, Jason's question.

Thus, from the first formula above:

[3,000 RPM x 444 CID] / [2 x 1728] = 385.42 CFM IDEAL Naturally Aspirated

385.42 x .85 = 327.60 CFM ACTUAL Naturally Aspirated

Where .85 is an accepted value for Volumetric Efficiency, and where Atomspheric Pressure is assumed to be 14.7.

When running at 3,000 RPM, boost is at 26 psiG. (oh yeah, did I mention my Banks chip?) To find the absolute pressure ratio, I did as follows:

[26 psig + 14.7] / 14.7 = 40.7/14.7 = 2.77

I then took the ACTUAL NA CFM of 327.60, and multiplied it by this absolute pressure ratio in the hopes of obtaining ACTUAL Turbocharged Intercooled CFM, or ACTUAL TCI CFM:

327.60 x 2.77 = 907.45 ACTUAL TCI CFM

My alarm bells began ringing, since this is a lot of air, but then I realize I've made no correction for temperature, and don't really know how to without more data. Haven't picked up my Autotap yet, doggone it. But maybe I can make fair assumptions. Ambient outside air, or pre inlet air on a cold air induction is say 77 degrees F, underhood air on a warm air induction filter system is at say 145 degrees F, delta T between inlet and outlet of intercooler is say 150 degrees F, and, uh, you'll have to help me guess how much heat energy the compressor is adding to the air. With my new wheel just instaled, I wonder how important the difference between wheels might have on heating the air too? Hmmm. Well, at least I have a boost guage that will give me a working knowlege of various boost pressures at RPMs under loads. Of course, the boost reading doesn't distinguish heat induced pressure rise from compresser induced pressure rise, and I don't know if heat induced pressure rise is really negligible or not, since the air is in constant motion.

Lot's to think about, and then it is so dynamic too. But back on track, I want to know the PEAK CFM. If I take the actual TCI CFM, and divide it by the Ideal NA CFM, I thought I might find a workable TCI VE that I could use in lieu of a NA VE... thus:

907.45 / 385.42 = 2.35

Definitely on the high end of the published VE ratios of TCI engines... or is it? I'm going to take a short cut here and just say I found that an inlet to outlet temperature differental ratio, in degrees Rankine (absolute temperature in degrees F + 459.67), proved to be about .8, then my TCI VE might move within a more commonly seen range of VEs that I found:

2.3 x .8 = 1.84 TCI VE, now with a SWAG absolute temperature ratio and the aforementioned psiA ratio taken into consideration.

I am working on one Part to this study on temperatures as they relate to our engines, and our airflow, that I will post at another time. That will explain the approach I am using to consider the Delta T from inlet to compressor, compressor to intercooler, intercooler to manifold. You can shoot holes in that when I post it later, in the mean time, let's finish with this target, it's big enough.

Getting back to my math process, maybe I could reduce steps by canceling terms in the algebra and saying that

TCI VE = {[PSIG + ATMOSPHERE] / ATMOSPHERE} x NA VE

But if I wanted to wake up and smell the coffee of adiabatic efficiency, (in this case, the heat gain from the compressor, figured with the heat reduction of the intercooler) maybe I could reasonable assume absolute temperature values at the critical places where I might expect delta T's to occur.

TCI VE = [IATA / MATA] x [MAP / BAR] x NA VE

Where:
TCI VE = Turbocharged Intercooled Volumetric Efficiency
IATA = Inlet Air Temperature Absolute
MATA = Manifold Air Temperature Absolute
MAP = Manifold Absolute Pressure
BAR = Atmospheric Pressure Absolute
NA VE = Naturally Aspirated Volumetric Efficiency

Yeah, I threw the NA VE back in there to account for the engine's pumping loss.

Now that all the swagging is done to come up with a turbocharged intercooled volumetric efficiency correction ratio, the formula above for naturally aspirated engines can be used, substituting VE with TCI VE. OK, fire away.

At this point, I have to remind myself that all I am really after is knowing what the maximum amount of airflow the 444 CID TCI engine may require on peak demand. So hey, why not ask the engine maker?

Well, the 1994.5 PSD, rated at 215 HP @ 2,600 RPM, uses 548 CFM @ 2,600 RPM. CFM ratings are usually given at peak HP. Reversing the math, I came up with a TCI VE of 1.6. In the ballpark ratio. But that motor used a TP38 turbocharger with an A/R of 1.15, and it didn't have a wastegate.

Our PSD's (in this forum) make more HP at higher RPM. We have a different turbo, hybrid if stock, with an A/R of .84 on the turbine and 1.0 on the compressor. And we are wastegated, so we are in the boost more, and earlier. (FYI: the Ford Truck Source Book is in error on the turbo specs, they haven't updated them.) And that is if we are stock. Many of us who are even interested in this detail have "a few adjustments."

So while I am waiting for International before making any statement about what our CFM requirements might be, I'd still like to plug in different RPMs and boost pressures that various folks notice with different chips, etc, to recognize this CFM demand in order to maintain an air/fuel ration in that "sweet spot," or 22-1. If our chips are dumping in more fuel, then we will need the air.

It would be nice and simple to eliminate filter candidates tested on Bank's flowbench in this manner. But air flow is not enough. The power is made from air density. For a given cube of air, I'd rather it weigh in like lead than like driftwood. That discussion is clearly another post on it's own.





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#735731 - 05/10/02 07:16 PM

Robyn,

Long post with lots of good info. Lots of assumptions too, which is why I wasn't comfortable running things through the standard cfm formulas. If I was a guessing man, I would say no more than 650-700. It will be interesting to see what you can get back from the actual engine guys.

Jason

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#735744 - 05/10/02 07:46 PM

Capn-

How would you say your limited experience with the TYMAR is going?
Are you running a EGT guage?
If yes, have the temps dropped and by how much?
Please inform and positive/negitive results.

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#736134 - 05/11/02 08:24 AM

Great work, and great info. I will follow this with interest, but without
fogetting the more important half: How good a job of dirt removal is being
done by the various options?

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#736241 - 05/11/02 11:44 AM

Geeze,

Now I feel like sucker-of-the-year spending $300 & 6 hours installing on a used Ram Air that flows less than a stock box.

I didn't get any increase in MPG's, but I swear it lowered my EGT's by 50-100 degrees.

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#736452 - 05/11/02 04:57 PM

xenonx1 - since installing the TYMAR a couple days ago, I haven't been able to do my 70mph 24 mile run to work that I use as my test run for mods, but on the short hops I have made, it looks like egt's are down 50 degrees. This is at 70mph, unloaded, my egt's are usually 600 now it looks like it's steady at 550.
If I'm seeing a 50 degree drop unloaded at 70mph, I can only assume that I'll see a corresponding drop when towing my usual 14,000 lb load at freeway speeds, let's hope so.
An interesting side effect to the install is that the engine sounds are more pronounced, ie, turbo whine, air releases at upshift, etc.
Not that I mind, but my wife thinks that it sounds like a farming implement:)
Troy

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#736963 - 05/12/02 10:20 AM

Looks to me like some of the most thorough testing I've seen with a lot more to come!

Hey Mark,

I don't remember ever hearing a bad word about WD products on this forum including the above flow results. WD products seem to be widely respected. Being a test engineer myself, I know that you can't only do one test and have a conclusive answer. Gale and Robyn seem to know this very well. I'm just glad to see a company "bone up" and put the time, effort and money in to do the test. From a consumer stand point it looks as if said company knows they have a good product and aren't afraid of what they may uncover. I would love to see Western Diesels own test results on the Ram Air. Surely they (you) know what it should flow. Are you saying that the above results are not representative? Where can I go to see some thorough test results?

"Did you test my filter".............Give me a break guys. READ the results and find out if they tested your filter. They're not through yet, this is just the first step.

Let's let these people keep up the good work. Read, learn and make your own conclusions.

Chris

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#737025 - 05/12/02 11:34 AM

It is great to see a company step up to the plate and spend the time, resources, and money on this type of research (and share it!). A lot of other companies talk a good game but Banks is the only one that has done it. Let's see if the "other guys" will try to refute any of this info with true test results. And I'm not talking about ad hype or, "My buddy has a truck that........."

Good work, Banks.

WS

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#738068 - 05/13/02 02:15 PM

Robyn,

Thanks for the enormous amount of time both in testing and in chronicling the results for us. With a K&N on my 2001 and a stock air filter on my 2002, I am eagerly awaiting your subsequent post to help me make a decision on an aftermarket air system for my 2002.

Again, thanks....

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#738106 - 05/13/02 02:49 PM

In reply to:

I assume you flowed it with the whole snorkel attached. Was the entire stock airbox, including the piping up to the back of the grill attached to the airbox when you flowed the stock airboxes?
- by Connecticut




Yes.


In reply to:

Did you simulate the area behind the grill where the stock airbox air feeds from?
- by Connecticut




Yes, but not in the tests posted above. We performed some other tests that will be posted in another installment of this report that explore the simulation of the factory deflector (that portion of what you termed the "back of the grill" where most people are "ZooDadding" holes) spaced the requisite distance from the end of the snorkel. A more detailed discussion of this simulation will be forthcoming, including it's limitations.

Speaking of snorkel, I also pulled the snorkels on and off some stock airbox and panel configurations, to discover the effects of those differences. Those tests, and the deflector simulation tests, are obliquely referenced in the report above that notes occasional re-tests of fully configured stock boxes as exception comparators to modified boxes (with snorkels, without snorkels, with deflector simulation, without deflector simulation). Isolating the effects of these differences merited a seperate discussion of the same, which shall be posted in the near future.


In reply to:

Funny how these things can make a difference on the flow bench.
- by Connecticut




Actually, funnier things than the above can make a difference on a flowbench as sensitive as what we were using. Funny things like which way the air inlet nozzle is pointing... ie, toward a wall or toward the center of the room. Or whether someone passes by the front of the flowbench during the sampling phase after steady state is established. Or whether the 4" coupler that attaches the airbox to the flowbench is flexible or rigid, short or long, straight or curved.

We were very cognizant of these "funny" things, and took excrutiating pains to eliminate all variating factors... other than just the airbox and filter itself. It made the work quite a bit more time intensive, and a little bit more tense, as well. Remember that there were three of us, each watching with a hyper-critical eye what the other was doing. It made for a bit of tension between us. If anyone suspects that this was a palsy walsy session to artificially promote or put down any particular configuration, then their suspicion, while perfectly understandable, is sadly off the mark. Real information is too irresistably interesting, and too expensive to obtain, to waste this kind of expended effort on carelessly collected data.


In reply to:

...unexplainable results was his (Smokey's) truck was SLOWER when the Zoodad mod was open. The Zoodad mod provides more air to the stock airbox.
- by Connecticut




How did you arrive at the determination that the Zoodad mod provides "more air" to the stock airbox?




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#738175 - 05/13/02 04:02 PM

Robyn

If your engine is running at 22:1(SWEET SPOT) and you change ONLY the air flow, will the EGT be lower at 21:1 and 23:1 than it was at 22:1?

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#738816 - 05/14/02 04:34 AM

Robyn.........

Great work so far. I am definately reading all the details as are many of our silent members that are eagerly waiting the next installment. We need good clean air and are Blindly fumbling around with our wallets open, feeling frantically in the dark for the answer....

Thanks for the flashlight!

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#739242 - 05/14/02 01:44 PM

where would you find the air box # on a stock air box?
Mine, PSD 3-99, Collects air from the front, cools the battery, has no post in the lid. The cover will not seat properly with the
KN -33-2138

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#739261 - 05/14/02 01:56 PM

I am really looking forward to how the Amsoil & WD drop in filters do in the test. Pretty unsettling how the wire mesh was punctured on the K&N filters. Thanks for spending all this time testing. Keep up the good work!


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#741524 - 05/16/02 01:09 PM

In reply to:

"where would you find the air box # on a stock air box?" - fishonariver




There are five pieces to a stock airbox, each with an individual engineering number embossed, usually underneath. The entire airbox has a part number as described in the report, but I cannot recall if that "parent" number is embossed, or if only the individual component (engineering) numbers are embossed. In any event, the numbers can be found by first disassembling and removing the entire airbox, and then turning each piece over to see what it embossed underneath.

It sounds like you have the second generation air box. (There are 3 generations.)

In reply to:

"The cover will not seat properly with the KN-33-2138" - fishonariver




That is an interesting observation. The K&N 33-2138 gasketing material(constituency unknown at this time, still investigating) feels much harder than, say, the Wix manufacturered Ford OE 1710 filter, whose hi-density polyurethane feels a lot more compressible.

Also, the two gaskets differ in profile shape. The "overall" height of the K&N 33-2138 gasket is .275", but the "majority" height of this gasket is actually only .210", excepting a small, tapered perimeter ridge with a root width of .075" tapering along it's .065" height down to .055" at the top surface. That last number is key, because that is what is sealing up against the lid.

I imagine that this tapered perimeter ridge, being an order of magnitude smaller than the gasket itself, is expected to compress fully under the clamp load of the lid latches. To put .055" in perspective, it may help to know that the diameter of an ink roller ball at the very tip of a ball point pen is about .050". Wind blown road debris can be larger in size. If such debris were remaining on the sealing surface of the lid, particularly if the sealing surface was greased as K&N recommends, then a concern about contaminant displacement of this .065" by .055" final perimeter ridge would enter my mind, and I would take great pains to ensure the sealing surfaces were spotless before closure.

The Wix made Ford OE 1710, on the other hand, has a top-of-gasket lid sealing width of about .175", which is three times wider than .055". The crossectional profile of this gasket is like a cat-scan slice of the pyramid seen on the back of an older dollar bill, only with the "eye" removed entirely, and the corners rounded. The root width at the base is .490", tapering up it's .295" of height (.020" taller than K&N 33-2138) to the aforementioned .175" crown that contacts the lid.

Conclusions?

It is difficult to undertake a conclusive evaluation of the efficacy of any one particular panel filter seal over another, because, unfortunately, it only takes one improper closing of the filter box, combined with just a few drive cycles where operating temperatures are sustained, for the lid to take a "heat set" that distorts the normal seal plane. Yep, the plastic lid can warp. Especially if not latched right, even if only once, as long as the engine gets real warm. I've seen it happen: with the second generation box, where the outboard tabs on the lid do not get hooked into the three box stays, but instead are latched over the top (one of the reasons that part of the box was redesigned); and with the third generation box, where the lid is latched down prematurely on one of the two new inboard locating guides, particularly the forward one. Always something, eh?

Perhaps a more reliably achievable and repeatable seal in air filter design and service in general is called a radial seal, where the filter is fitted and clamped circumferentially around a tube. Big truck air filters, like Donaldson, are secured in this manner. As are the newer K&N FIPK series filters, as well as several others that were tested on a flowbench, including Western Diesel (described in report above), Volant, AirMax, and AFE, to be described in an upcoming installment of this ongoing PSD air filter report.

I encourage anyone interested to really look at the filter gasket of whatever panel filter they are now using, to first of all inspect it for signs of dirt penetration at the seal. Then, to compare the seal with whatever other panel filter considered as a replacement. The effectiveness of the filter is obviously moot if the dirt, furiously vacuumed in by the turbo, can find a lessor path of resistance through any gap, however small, in the seal.

Finally, with any panel filter, it goes without saying that extra care, almost beyond reasonable care, must be taken to ensure the that lid is properly seated before pulling the latches. Otherwise, all of the foregoing comparative evaluation is just as moot. If it goes without saying, then why say it? Because, with all the research that I have done, I have opened and closed these airboxes hundreds of times more than the average Superduty owner, and thus have a lot of practice. Still, I have caught myself making errors in closure, not fully or correctly seating the lid to the box. One can look at the back tabs, look at the front guides, look at the side guide near the fuse box (or, for 2002 owners, where the fuse box used to be), and everything can appear great... so one latch is snapped, but before the other one is reached, the lid is crooked again.

It is all too easy to snap those latches prematurely. It is not so easy to pay for a prematurely failed turbo. I would double check the work of ANY technician that services your Superduty by first checking to see that that the air filter has been restored in it's place, and that the lid is properly closed. Some techs may not realize the extra time that this particular airbox requires to ensure a good seal.


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Re: Air Filter/AirBox Study at Banks: The Results Are In! Part 1 new
#741594 - 05/16/02 02:55 PM

Robyn,

WOW!!! That's a lot of great info, but I have tired-head now.

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#744781 - 05/20/02 01:23 PM

In reply to:

"It will be interesting to see what you can get back from the actual engine guys." - by JLester




Yes, it will be. Only it is taking a little bit more time than I anticipated. I'm not complaining, as my experience with every International employee I've come in contact with has been congenial and constructive. For such a large company, they really appear to have a "home town" customer oriented culture.

So far, International has been able to verify to me that the Volumetric Effieciency of the 99 and up 7.3L PSD is in fact 86%. That isn't too far off from the .85 factor used in the mock calculations posted previously, but that number still appears to leave the contribution of the turbo yet to be factored.

The actual rated CFM of the 99-up PSD is STILL being looked into by the contact at International. Keep in mind, that whatever that number may end up being, it is presumed to be what the stock configuration of the engine requires, not a modified one.



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#785085 - 07/04/02 04:48 PM

Has Part 2 of this test come out yet? I did a search under Banks and could not find one. I don't hit the board on a daily basis, so any pointers on how to find it let me know. Great work Robyn on Part 1!!

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#793950 - 07/14/02 06:52 PM

did this thing just die?

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#794033 - 07/14/02 08:58 PM

Hello:
This is just all my opinion. Robyn showed a reluctance to post this the first part of two because the static testing results had unfavorable results for a long time advertiser of this site.

Even though he had stated up front that these were only the preliminary results of his testing. It was after his static testing showed that this one particular advertiser's product was deficient in flow bench comparisons over the stock air box and filter combinations that a "Rather Big Stink" was created.

Robyn has been accused of being a representative of the company that gave him access to the equipment used in determining the static flow capabilities of the various combinations. Further more accusations have been made that this company is going to make a product which will be in competition with the company's who's air box has shown a deficiency over the stock airbox filter combination.

After all the criticism that he has received from the vendor, their following, and their franchises of this particular air box system, I do not blame Robyn for not willingly wanting to follow up with his second report. Later.

Robert


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Re: Air Filter/AirBox Study at Banks: The Results Are In! Part 1 new
#794096 - 07/14/02 10:02 PM

In reply to:

After all the criticism that he has received from the vendor, their following, and their franchises of this particular air box system, I do not blame Robyn for not willingly wanting to follow up with his second report.


I suspect you're wrong there. The Robyn I know wouldn't run from a little controversy.

And he's enough of an engineer and researcher to understand that one type of test is certainly not conclusive. And especially if the test results are not logical.

There is no doubt that my TurboRamAir intake system produced significantly lower EGT and at least a little bit of power increase in my truck, compared to a stock intake system with MotorCraft or K&N air filter. No doubt whatsoever. So that flow bench test is not testing something that has to be included in the test of the total intake system. And you cannot come to any final conclusions until he's done the part two, which hopefully will explain why the results of his first round of tests are not logical given the real-world performance of the TurboRamAir system in a real truck.

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Re: Air Filter/AirBox Study at Banks: The Results Are In! Part 1 new
#794329 - 07/15/02 08:38 AM

"There is no doubt that my TurboRamAir intake system produced significantly lower EGT and at least a little bit of power increase in my truck, compared to a stock intake system with MotorCraft or K&N air filter. No doubt whatsoever."

Perhaps. But to date, there is no empirical evidence to substantiate such anecdotal testimonials. Not from Western Diesel, not from anyone. None whatsoever.

My AFE Magnum Force seems to have done the exact same thing for $300 less money and five hours less installation time, but my only "proof" is what I see on my pyro on my truck. And that makes it no more meaningful than your subjective opinion based on what you see on your truck.

"And you cannot come to any final conclusions . . ."

Agreed. And that's precisely my point. Because the only data of substance thus far is that which was gathered during the flow bench testing. And it is decidedly more meaningful than a handful of subjective, unsupportable marketing claims and testimonials.

Edited by Bruce Snyder (07/16/02 09:10 AM)

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#795072 - 07/15/02 09:19 PM

I agree with ya there Smokey, that has been my grip also, but both in the truck and then flow test it. Last time I checked the stock air box pulls air from about 2" back from a big sheet of plastic in front of it. I also like to see a test of where they get the intake temp before the turbo, I would bet that the ram air has cooler intake temps and that is where you are getting some of the lower egt's from. Do I feel that the ram air is worth the money in quality and size of filter, no, but it does do as it claims.

Ed

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Re: Air Filter/AirBox Study at Banks: The Results Are In! Part 1 new
#795128 - 07/15/02 10:03 PM

Man what a Thread.

I just read this thread.
Don't know how I missed it the first time around.

So, Robyn,
Come on Post Part 2! I am dying here

Good post Robyn,
Take care,

Kevin

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#796549 - 07/17/02 06:06 AM

Maybe I dont know what i am doing, But I went back to the old school of engineering. I removed all of my intake/airbox system and cut and hacked most of the baffles and sharp edges(I dont have access to a flowbench), redid my snorkel, added a large wind scoop, sealed the cracks and crevises with tape and chaulking, cut hole with jig saw in grill, Thermowrapped intake ducting. In order to keep temps of intake air reduced, and controlled, to allow increased air flow, and most immportant to gather cooler air from outside the vehicle...

I am anxious to see the results of the other airboxes/filters...

I would like to see if I did mine more harm then good on the airflow characteristics.

Basic gasoline is hotter air for fuel mileage, cooler air for more power...

Is there a sweet spot for air flow and air density for the PSD??
to obtain max fuel econo and a different air/flow/density for power..

Maybe the WD has the right combo for fuel mileage but not neccesarily for the max power output...Did anyone ponder this thought..

Because the setup for max power is probably not the same setup for max fuel econo....

Just talking out loud....

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#908366 - 10/31/02 08:51 PM

>I'd like to hear YOUR un-influenced comments as to why this occurs

Would it be because the 1710's pleats are so long that they fold over under high airflows?

Cheers,
Tim

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Re: Air Filter/AirBox Study at Banks: The Results Are In! Part 1 new
#949135 - 12/03/02 09:46 PM

HOLY SMOKES, I just read all the 3 pages of this thread and geez lueez my head is spinnin now ,I realize this is all from last summer but cripes what was the final analysis? is the stock air box as good or even BETTER than WD,K&N, or AFE, in the next 3 or 4 weeks I am going to upgrade my intake, mostly because of the bad press the K&N drop in has gotten on this web-site, but man o man now I dont know what to do. all I really wanted to do was get a little more educated on this "ZOODAD" mod and came up with all of this head spinnin stuff

Please guys clue me in on some of your own personal results from experience of use

man my head is really spinnin after an hour of readin all this

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#949387 - 12/03/02 11:47 PM

Robyn: Can you tell me why the calibrated orifice step setting on the Ram is set at 9 and all the others are set at 10. Also what effect this would have on air flow readings. I am not an engineer so please enlighten me.

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#952599 - 12/05/02 08:02 PM

Robyn,

Good info Thanks,

Larry

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#952668 - 12/05/02 08:43 PM

will this be tossed to the back of the line tomorrow?

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Re: Air Filter/AirBox Study at Banks: The Results Are In! Part 1 new
#953132 - 12/06/02 01:07 AM

I just finished reading this novel of info that has put me on the edge of my seat. I feel Part 2 soming soon.....This has to be one of the better threads I have engorged my time into. Keep up the good work!

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#953282 - 12/06/02 08:01 AM

KRMNAL1:

Do a search in the Upgrade and Aftermarket forum on "Tymar". You'll find tons of info there comparing a number of the top rated intake mods.




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