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Is anyone aware of other vendors than Weld that sell hubcentric wheels? 1Coyote |
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Stockton wheels will make you anything you can dream up. They made the hub-centric "Super Single" wheels on the Turtle Expedition truck. http://www.Stocktonwheel.com/4wd_offroad.htm |
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APP makes them too http://www.appwheels.com/ |
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who makes the stock alloy wheels? |
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Alcoa fishin |
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not to be stupid.....what is hubcentric mean? 
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The wheel centers on the hub not the lug nuts. It's easy to tell the difference because hub centric wheels don't have a beveled holes for the crowned lug nuts and the lug nuts you use on hub centric wheels look like just regular nuts with a washer attached. |
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Actually, some hubcentric wheels do have the beveled holes, in addition to a flat surface for the stock lugnuts. I have crowned chrome lugnuts on my Weld Outbacks, which are hubcentric. |
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TROPLITCH, Look HERE for the correct information on how your OEM wheels are centered and where these terms hub centric and lug centric come in. Ignore basically what everyone in this thread has to add technically, including me  , and listen only to what Popeye says, because he knows.  I would never put a set of aftermarket wheels on that did not have the correct OEM hub pilot size or were listed as lug-centric by the aftermarket company, but then again I like to have my wheels and tires stay on my vehicle Larry |
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Mickey Thompson Challengers by Alcoa from http://www.southwestwheel.com/ hubcentric, right load rating, great price, made well, look great, use stock hub cap if you want! |
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I have the Eagle 589's, lug-centric. Have yet to have tire/wheel fall off. Hub-centric's have NOTHING to do w/ safety or load carrying. Primary reason for use is speed on the assy line. And (perhaps) slightly smoother operation. To convert some autos to hub-cen. an adaptor is used, made of......PLASTIC! I wish the folks who preach failure, doom , falling sky resulting from lug-cen. usuage would cite their sources. |
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I called Mickey Thompson, they said that none of their wheels are hub-centric.  |
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In reply to: Probably because you have them mounted on your 01, F-365, SC,LWB whatever that is . Also putting lug centric aftermarket wheels on with a hub pilot too large for the specified OEM hub pilot size on the axle, IMHO is making a poor engineering decision - you might get lucky with the hub pilot size, but I would want to know since the same aftermarket wheel might fit several vehicles. I don't want my wheels riding on the axle studs under load and flexing back an forth consistently with my loved ones in my truck - I want my wheels riding mainly on the axle with minimum axle stud flex as designed by the OEM of the axle and it's studs.In reply to: That was never an issue since basically all OEM wheels are designed as what you refer to as Hub-centric, even the ones with the tapered seats and lug nuts. That is to say they both use a Hub Pilot for centering. In reply to: Not according to Popeye since he says: "The new two piece flat nutwashers produce much higher clamp loads, but are much more critical on torque" and... "The recent usage of flat washer/nuts was designed to eliminate the interference between the bolt circle and the center pilot, but are more expensive and require proper torque procedures which often don't exist in field service. The cone seat nuts will continue to be used, because they are basically "idiot-proof", meaning that they'll tolerate undertorque and overtorque abuse." In reply to: In reply to: Only preaching I did was to say to get the right wheels for your vehicle, and that I would not use lug centric aftermarket wheels and you missed the on my final comment.Finally, My source Popeye in his own words has "been a Chasis Design Engineer at Ford for the last 25 years"; is an "Automotive engineer usually busy designing parts, making sure that systems work" and " Sorry, I've been designing wheels for so long that I've forgotten that these may not be common terms". So when he says "ALL Ford wheels on all vehicles are primarily pilot centered. The vehicles with cone seat lug nuts have slight interferences in centering that is overridden by the pilot bore to establish the center. There is no other way to properly center the wheel on the vehicle as the tolerances in the nuts and studs are much larger than the clearances at the wheel pilot. Pilot centering is also needed for both OEM and service balancers." And... "The lug nuts are a really poor way to center a wheel as the tolerance stack up in locating the studs in the hub, nut seats in the wheel, stud centerlines to positioning knurl, etc are much higher than simply controlling the diameters at the wheel center pilot" But then again it's your vehicle but my prior comments still stand and consider them valid  Guess we just have different opinions, but that is O.K. because they are after-all just opinions, but I feel more comfortable in mine than yours, but like you I am entitled to mine and you are entitled to yours Larry |
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According to M/T, the Challengers have a center bore of 4.94". Weld hubcentric wheels have a center bore of 4.93". I would have considered both hubcentric before reading Popeye's posts, but I guess that .01" makes a big difference, so the Challengers may not really be hubcentric after all  .
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Well, I guess I stand corrected, maybe! I went to the http://www.southwestwheel.com/ website, which is where they listed (and told me on the phone) the M/T Challengers were the only hubcentric wheel MT/Alcoa made, and now there's no sign of them on their website! They were there 4 months ago, I swear! And they haven't fallen off, either! |
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I would really prefer the alcoa's as I've had them before...but no such luck this time. 1Coyote |
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Why a 3665 is an upgraded 350, everone knows that. I think the folks at Eagle have made ennough wheels, over many years, to have an idea on the correct way. If centering w/studs, lug nuts is such a poor way to go about it, it is truely amazing that the method has worked so well, for so long. |
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go with weld. They are safe and beautiful. Spend the bucks, you already bought an expensive truck. I agonized about the price, but it is over and i am happy.
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Popeye's statements all relate to centering the wheel on the hub and relate to ride quality or lack of vibration. Nowhere in his comments does he say that lug piloted wheels properly mounted with the correct conical seat lugnuts will be prone to loosen and come off. Actually he states that the conical seat lugnut is much easier to torque and is almost idiot proof whereas the two piece flat-washer lugnut used on the current super duty truck with hub piloted wheels is much harder to torque properly especially in the field. Again, the concern he stated about lug centered wheels was the greater tolerances with respect to centering the wheel resulting in more vibration. TBROKER |
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TBROKER, In reply to: The key there is properly mounted which would include shimming if the pilot on the wheel is more than .002 to .005 larger than the hub pilot on the axle thus making this lug centric wheel basically a hub pilot centered wheel . Also as a designer/engineer for FORD as I understand it, I would be very surprised if he made that kind of statement directly to the HUGE aftermarket wheel industry. You kind of have to read all his posts and do some reasonable extensions of what he is saying.The only statement I made was I would never put a set of aftermarket wheels on that did not have the correct OEM hub pilot size or were listed as lug-centric by the aftermarket company, but then again I like to have my wheels and tires stay on my vehicle Again you missed the wink in my original post This was a statement of what I would do and not do and still feel the same way since I often have 5300 to 5500 lbs on my 6084(think that is the actual figure) rear axle and believe any additional stress and/or flexing on the lug nuts above what the OEM has designed the axles for is just not a prudent course of action. I'm sure there is a large safety factor in there and am more concerned with FORD putting a semi float axle on a 1 ton vehicle vice a full float and this is the OEM so trusting blindly aftermarket wheel companies is not something I want to do. I was only trying to make people aware of this often misunderstood area of matching wheels to the vehicle and then they like me can do what they want. Again all these are opinions (except IMHO for what Popeye says ) and are open to interpretations, agreement, disagreement, etc., etc. Larry
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