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XFON
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Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup?
#1788658 - 05/06/04 02:58 PM

I was woundering anyone seen or heard of putting a DD453 in a puckup? I remember a few years ago seeing in a form on here about someone doing it. He said you could hear the truck 1/2 mile down the road.

Birken Vogt
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1789499 - 05/06/04 11:43 PM

Apparently there was a shop in Reno that was doing them before a good diesel was commercially available in pickups. With the advent of the 6.2 and 6.9, the demand disappeared.

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Kenworth
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1789543 - 05/07/04 12:18 AM

Who would want a screaming 453 in a P/U truck you would be deaf in a year atleast you know the front of the chassis of the truck would never rust out as the engine supplies its own undercoating fluid

The other popular engine was the Mitsubushi 6 cylinder I forget the model number.




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FarmallBobM
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1789818 - 05/07/04 07:56 AM

A coworker installed a Detroit 453 in an early 80ís Ford 250 4x4 and drove it for many years. As you suspect it was noisy as h*ll! But in the time before you could buy a diesel PU this conversion was way cool. Also it was much better on fuel than the Ford V8 it replaced.

Iíve seen several other similar conversions at truck and tractor shows. Generally they use a 353-T or a 453, though I once spotted 6V53 shoehorned into a 50ís era Powerwagon. ...FB

LMJD
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1790052 - 05/07/04 10:47 AM

I knew a guy that had one in a late 70's early 80's Chev. dually. Like Birken posted, there was a shop in Sparks or Reno that specialized in installing them. It got really great fuel mileage and was a super clean installation. We all thought it was the greatest thing since sex since back then you couldn't get a diesel in a pickup from the factory.

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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1790139 - 05/07/04 11:40 AM

I thought about doing the Detroit thang my own self. But locally I found a farmer with a couple of old Russ cotton pickers with Ford straight six diesels in them.Has anyone had any experience with these motors. The swap looks like a slam dunk since it already uses Ford bell housing ect.

'93 f-250 dually 7.3
'84 f-250 2x4 (gonna be a toy)


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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1790372 - 05/07/04 01:38 PM

Seems to me a long time back I worked on something that had a 6 cyl. diesel actually made in England but it was Ford blue with all the Ford emblems. I also worked once on a large commercial golf-course type riding Ford lawnmower that had the neatest, tiniest two cyl diesel and it was made in Japan, so who knows.

Edited by LMJD (05/07/04 01:40 PM)

TinyBear
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1790654 - 05/07/04 04:54 PM

I actually found pics one time of two chevys with the good old two strokes in them one had the 4-53 the other ran a 6v-53. When i had my ranger i wanted to try swaping in a VW 1.9 into it but never got to it i also though that a 3-53 turbo would fit but again it was just sooo much easier to buy my f250 then go through the hassel.
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Dave Haven
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1791031 - 05/07/04 10:01 PM

Back in the '70's, there was a local guy who had a late '50's Chevy half-ton pickup with a 4-53 in it. The re-power was very nicely done.

Slightly off-topic... In the early '80's, my favorite uncle shoehorned a CAT 3208 into an F-350. It required a 6" body lift. (see "Trick Truck" in my sig)

Kenworth
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1791101 - 05/07/04 10:56 PM

There is what we call British Ford (Lehman) they are 360cid they used to be in British tanks they are also a popular marine engine. The ones we have in our barge are turboed and intercooled they are a heavy slow turning 6. Most of the Lehmans were non turbo N/A engines put out about 120-130hp.

The Lehmans used in trucks were painted blue with Ford emblems or it says Ford Industrial the marine versions usually painted red.




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Gone Fishen
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1791274 - 05/08/04 12:55 AM

What do want to know. I had a 3-53 in a 1967F2502W drive. I had a 'duo-matic' splitter in FRONT of the 4 speed manual transmission running 4:10 rear end gears. I actually started in 2d, then shifted as follows 3d,3od,4d,4od. I rarely used granny. I would basically idle over 4x4 lumber. The guys in the shop thought they were cool doing that. Speed was about 78 mph. Fuel economy was about 21 empty,loaded whatever. I used it in field service for 3 years. Truck with engine, tools, spare parts, utility bed weighed about 6800 lbs. I used to have a sticker in the truck that I got sand for my kids sand pile and came out of the gravel pit at 11,720 lbs. I still started in 1od. Never used 1d except to drive over 4x4's. Was a little noisy,however I had a 16 tube aircleaner with carpet stuck to the outside of the aircleaner. Not much different inside than I have now. However you really could hear me for 1/2 mile away.
Other vehicles I have seen 6v-53 twin turbo that ran on the salt flats. 6v-53 in a very stuffed chevy with the front end built up. Several 4-53t engines in Chevy trucks and a couple of Fords.
Major problems you will have is the gearing for the transmission. I had mine jacked up to 3050rpm just to accomodate the lower hp of my truck. Max speed you will get without an overdrive setup is about 62 mph.
Personally I would stick with todays engines available in todays trucks. They are quieter,faster,easier to drive,have cruise control, ect,ect.
Good luck on the install.
PS: mine did not leak oil, just smoked a little because I had slightly heavy injectors.

XFON
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1792235 - 05/08/04 10:13 PM

That is neat that there was alot of people that did that. I didn't think there was that many. Have you ever heard of a injector sticking full fuel in any pick ups? I know they would stick open once in a while on skidders and such. When one injector sticks, the whole fuel rack sticks open, then BOOM BOOM if your don't cut off the intake air. Cause the RPMs would keep climbing until somthing blows apart.

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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1792886 - 05/09/04 01:02 PM

I had a 6-71 Detroit that took off on an over speed rampage because of a miss ajusted injector (my fault I tried to cure a miss with the motor runing)and I had a 6.9 take off while I was driving at hyway speed due to a govonor ring failure. But I haven't see one go nuts with a stuck injector. Usually the drop a cylinder(miss) or try to hydraulic(rattle like the devil) and you end up with more fuel in the cankcase than oil.

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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1792920 - 05/09/04 01:54 PM

thers a guy that has a 453 in a late 70's chev, ive seen it around for the last 15 yrs, also seen a guy that has a 3.8t from a izuzu npr in a 60's ford half ton, i bet it was good for 25 mpg

FarmallBobM
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1793954 - 05/10/04 10:33 AM

Quote:

Have you ever heard of a injector sticking full fuel in any pick ups?




Have never heard of one sticking in a P/U conversion. But have seen the results when the rack stuck on a dragline powerplant once (lotsa scrap metal!)

The 453 in the coworker's P/U was equipped with the emergency shutdown damper in the blower inlet. Had damper latch trip connected to a big 'ol red knob in the dash prominently labelled "EMERGENCY STOP - PULL"

flatlander
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1796993 - 05/11/04 11:10 PM

I saw a fellow's '67 Ford 4WD that he put a 4-53 in. He drove it daily and used it for pulling. He said it was turbo'd and supercharged, I didn't pay that close attention. I did notice he had to notch the oil pan because it hit on something under the truck..I can't quite recall.

Gone Fishen
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Re: Detroit Diesel 453 in puckup? new
#1797107 - 05/12/04 12:01 AM

The 53 you saw was a turbo with a blower. Not a supercharger. All 2 stroke series from DDA had a blower on them. Yes it takes hp to drive it as well. That is why the bypass system was developed on the 2 cycle engine. The 'modifyied oil pan is because the pan configeration hit the crossmember on the axle. The pan had to be cut, welded and about 4 inches added to the front of the pan to get the proper oil pan capacity. The best engine came later because it was called the 'Silver Series'. It had 2 piece pistons called 'crosshead', different rods/bearings, bypass blower, newer injectors, new style valve cover. This series came out to late as the Ford and Chebby came out with a production diesel in pickups. The turbo engine was a whole different world in less noise.
Of course there were the aluminum blocks but I only saw 1 in the 3 cyl. engine.

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