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4.5L V6 PSD?
#1845538 - 06/11/04 08:57 AM
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I know this has been brought up before.. but how simple would it be to make a 4.5L V6 PSD from a mechanical design point of view? Just chop off two cylinders, rate it at about 240hp/420tq, add the trqshift tranny ... would such an engine fit in the F150 engine bay? I think that if this were a possible option a lot of people would buy a F150 with the diesel  Maybe even make it available on the Expedition and Explorer, if it would fit.
The current gas engines are pretty good on power numbers but they must be gas hogs when loaded and at least here, diesel is about 18% cheaper than gasoline.
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1848658 - 06/13/04 06:22 PM
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I know this has been brought up before.. but how simple would it be to make a 4.5L V6 PSD from a mechanical design point of view? Just chop off two cylinders, rate it at about 240hp/420tq, add the trqshift tranny ... would such an engine fit in the F150 engine bay?
Ford had the same thought, so they made an agreement with International to chop two cylinders off the 6.0L V8 and come up with a 4.5L V6. Then just before International began producing the engines, Ford changed their mind and cancelled the contract.
You can buy the 4.6L V6 diesel today in an International LCW (low cab forward) truck. And guess what? This fall, you can order that same truck with a Ford name on it. That's right. A Ford LCW truck with a 4.5L V6 engine. 200 horses and 440 lb./ft. torque. http://www.commtruck.ford.com/ctw/lcf_launch/index.htm
But that engine is not scheduled to be installed in the Ford half-ton pickups or SUVs.
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1849039 - 06/13/04 11:15 PM
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Annoying that they dropped that - I'd hoped for a small diesel in an Expedition. Have you guys heard anything about the small Cummins (B4?) going into the F150? There was something posted on TDR about it a while back.
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1849108 - 06/14/04 12:08 AM
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Ford's not gonna do it if it takes away from sales of their cash-cow diesel Superduties.
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1849122 - 06/14/04 12:23 AM
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So they'll leave it up to a foreign car manufacturer to do it and take their market share? Makes sense. 
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1849273 - 06/14/04 07:04 AM
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I believe the decision was because the 4.5 engine in a F-150 was less than 6,000 pounds and because of which it would have been prohibited for sale in Cal. NY. Vt. Mass. Maine. Ford did not to be excluded in those states. Same exclusions for the VW TDI and Mercedes E-320-CDI. Not Ford's fault that 5 states are attempting to form a new country.
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1850063 - 06/14/04 05:46 PM
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your right about that new country concept roofy--be nice if someone would inform them clowns we went thru one internal war once before-------or maybe the senator from mass is head of it------
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1850887 - 06/15/04 07:37 AM
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Ford's not gonna do it if it takes away from sales of their cash-cow diesel Superduties.
Have you seen the prices on the F150s? I saw one that was equiped similar to my 250 and the MSRP was $39K. Heck if I wouldn't have gotten the PSD/torqshift in mine, it's MSRP would have been right around $39K. So yes, if the superdutie is a cash-cow, the F150 must be as well.
I read the article about the 2005 Superduties and it mentioned that there's about $10K profit on each superduty, yet they took hood blankets from unsuspecting buyers.... 
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1853192 - 06/16/04 12:34 PM
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My latest Off-Road mag made the imply that Ford WAS going to put the V-6 diesel in the F-150. But, who knows. By the time you buy a diesel F150, you'll probably have as much if not more in an F150 than a Superduty.
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1856521 - 06/18/04 10:54 AM
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It is Fords fault for being gutless wonders afraid to push the envelopes. They routinely give up on things that other companies make a success out of. Something at Ford has a geriatric "high volume" mentality while other companies do quite well with lower volumes. Keeping something like the Excursion and updating it brings people in that might go elsewhere. When they no longer have a need for such a serious truck, they might stick with one of their high volume products if they had a good experience with the first one. Let the other states have a vehicle that gets 10-15 mpg. more and listen to the crying from CA vehicle owners. Don't ignore the rest of the country in the process.
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1857351 - 06/18/04 08:25 PM
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For super corps its always about the bottom line and the masses. The sd is switching to coils. To make it ride more car like. Did you ask for that?
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1857758 - 06/19/04 01:21 AM
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Read all of the posts on this board about trying to smooth the ride out. Maybe some Ford development people actually read this board. Apparently, the biggest advantage might be the reduced turning radius offered by the suspension changes.
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1857763 - 06/19/04 01:31 AM
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I didnt like the ride of a leaf but they are very durable.
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1858226 - 06/19/04 03:00 PM
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I had an 84 GMC 3/4 4WD that I had to replace the leafs twice and had a crack in a leaf when I sold it at 210k. I also had to replace the front drive shaft and both hubs. My 94 Chevy IFS has had no problem with the springs in 180k and I have only recently replaced one axle shaft. It split the boot around the axle and wasn't leaking grease, but did suck in some water causing the joint to start squealing. Right now it sure loos like IFS is more reliable and leafs offer no extra durability. I guess it's old beliefs that some want to stick to. Getting back to the subject of this post, the 4.5 V6 diesel, I think it would make a great addition to the 1/2 ton series and if GM would produce their V6 version of the Dmax and Dodge would use the 4.2 V6 Cummins there would be a lot of excellent choices for the consumer. One of these days those gasser people are gonna learn what's best for them. 
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Re: 4.5L V6 PSD?
#1858360 - 06/19/04 05:52 PM
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Luck of the draw toybox. My pops truck is at about 200k. No problems with the leafs(other than negative arch). His is a diesel too. Actually has a little weight on the front end.
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