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John Deere engine swap into a F350?
#1877040 - 07/01/04 02:25 PM

While travelling in May I borrowed some tools from a mechanic that told me he heard that a John Deere engine was becoming a popular swap into the Ford F250 and F350s instead of a Cummins 5.9L.

Anybody seen one or heard of one?
Which engine would work? How much power?

Not looking to do anything to my truck just curious if this could happen and if it would work well.

Tim

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877140 - 07/01/04 03:37 PM

Interesting idea - with enough expertise and imagination you can put just about anything into anything (look at Monster Garage). It will be interesting to follow this thread to see if anyone has come across this.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877149 - 07/01/04 03:42 PM

Never heard of that Deere transplant yet. I wonder how the injector pump-fuel curve etc would work in a road vehicle?

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877174 - 07/01/04 03:51 PM

Thats my thought. These Deere tractor/generator engines are really meant to run and stay operating at a given rpm. I wouldn't think they could cut it being revved up and down constantly like an OTR engine is (not necessarily durability-wise but as batfish said power-curve wise). It could be made to work but yer gonna need more than 6 gears, thats for dern sure.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877213 - 07/01/04 04:14 PM

Deere's been trying to build 4 & 6 cyl. engines now for over 45 yrs, and according to My Buddy who's an Eng. for Deere they Still haven't figured it out! Some are better than others but none of them will ever be considered "Great" when compared to the competition. The "Transplant" probably happened when some "Deere-oid" discovered an International Engine under the hood of His FORD pickup.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877227 - 07/01/04 04:24 PM

I agree, the Deere-IH rivalry is like the Ford-GM one, some old farmer probably learned his old Ford diesel was realy and IH and HAD to have a green engine in there!! it is true, there aren't any famous Deere 6 cylinder I hear people talk about, but everyone knows who makes a dt466 or an ISB 5.9!!!

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877253 - 07/01/04 04:42 PM

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I agree, the Deere-IH rivalry is like the Ford-GM one, some old farmer probably learned his old Ford diesel was realy and IH and HAD to have a green engine in there!! it is true, there aren't any famous Deere 6 cylinder I hear people talk about, but everyone knows who makes a dt466 or an ISB 5.9!!!




If you hang around here, you will eventually learn about the IH 466 and most people know about the 5.9 since it is in the Dodge, outside of that most likely most people would have probably heard of a 5.9 cummins.

As far as the 466, we can see where it got IH in the Ag business...

... merged, to be eventually replaced by Cummins engines in later C-IH models.

As far as the Deere swap into a Ford, I can't think of any that would be a good fit. The 359 would be tight length wise.

Using a 2500 rpm engine might be a cool conversion, but not likely an awesome pickup.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877289 - 07/01/04 05:09 PM

JD - As far as the DT-466 being a problem in the AG division of IHC, that most definitely was NOT the case, trying to keep a rearend together behind one was the problem. Or the DT-414 or DT-436 as well. Look what the DT-466 has done to International Trucks? Class leader for how many yrs in Class 5,6, & 7 medium duty?
Deere's 466-6 diesel was a VAST improvement over the 380 & 404 engines that came before it. (4010/4020) But it still doesn't compare to the IH 400-series.
I've also heard it's a Engineering Requirement that ALL new Deere Equip. be designed to accept a Cummins engine. So wouldn't it be funny if in a few years Deere, Case/IH/New Holland AND AGCO all were using the same engine?!?! Like most here I don't have any problems with a Cummins engine. I've driven them well over a half million miles and only ever had to "WALK HOME three or four times" I just really don't want a deere engine in My truck.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877306 - 07/01/04 05:31 PM

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that most definitely was NOT the case



Very true, IH's only screwup was letting Navistar have it and not keep it for themselves!

I had to do some digging, but I found an article here about a guy who put a Deere 359 in an '86 1 ton Chevy, but he also used an Allison, so it was a real hack-job. That's the only JD conversion I've ever heard of. It looks like he had to move the grille out about 4", but somebody told me you had to do that with a Cummins in that bodystyle, too, so it might not be that bad of a fit. It sounds like is main problem was height - it needed a HUGE bodylift to clear the turbo and oilpan. That could probably be remedied with a custom pan and a little "mod" to the manifolds.

Now if you really want to use an ag motor, I'm thinking I'd rather have a 354 Perkins, myself......

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877364 - 07/01/04 06:16 PM

There were a few Chevy medium duty C-60's built in the mid-80's that used the Deere 5.9L. I don't know what the story was with them, but Deere does make a fine CNG bus engine.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877740 - 07/01/04 10:59 PM

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Using a 2500 rpm engine might be a cool conversion, but not likely an awesome pickup.



Ive driven a 90 dodge cummins. It was governed very low. Fell flat on its face above 2300 rpm. Not a fast truck but it did the job. I was looking to buy it for a work truck. Someone else jumped on it. I still see it on the road. The point being. If its just a tow rig. It would work. What would the torque rise be on the deer 5.9?

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1877928 - 07/02/04 01:43 AM

I'm trying to find some specs on one - the one in this article is called 200 hp, and came out of a payloader. It doesn't appear to be intercooled, but that's about all I can tell you offhand.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1878048 - 07/02/04 08:23 AM

The Neb. test on a 3255 Deere showed it having 102.6 PTO HP at 2400 rpm, with a 36% TQ rise at 1402 rpm. This engine would have been app. 114 HP at the flywheel.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1878146 - 07/02/04 09:49 AM

COPPER - 354 Perkapillar would be a good choice. My preference would either be a DT-361 out of a 1206 Farmall or an IH Nuess D-358 from a 826/3088/3288, etc. Couple combines used it also, 1420 Axial Flow I think. With a turbo the D-358 REALLY screames! The DT-360 Melrose engine didn't compare with either of the above.
A regular poster at the RPM Forum has a DT-361 transplanted into a mid-70's vintage 1-ton 4X4 IHC truck He uses to pull His 1206 pulling tractor around. Truck looks stock except for the burned spot in the paint on the hood from the turbo! And the 4" chrome stack up the corner of the cab!

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1878460 - 07/02/04 02:20 PM

Thanks for the responses guys. I had no idea if this was possible or not so I guess that guy was just full of it then. But heck who knows those guys get really bored mid winter in northern wisconsin. I know I used to until I moved to CO.

Tim

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1878501 - 07/02/04 03:10 PM

That mechanic could have been talking about one of the newer motors......it'd be interesting to know more about them. All I really know is they're pretty spendy, to buy or work on. It could be a fun conversion, but I guess I'd rather go with something a little more economical initally.

Hey, I forgot all about 358's! I spent some time on an 826 once apon a time, too. I bet that would be a neat conversion motor. Dang, now I need to find one to get some measurements. There's a guy down the road with a pretty nice old 1210 IHC pickup he might want to sell - Hmmmmmm.......... The only real reason I was thinking Perkins is that they're pretty "available". Heck, you can go to a farm auction and buy one for $2000, and it still has the Massey wrapped around it!

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1878979 - 07/02/04 10:08 PM

there's a farm magazine out there called "farm show" and when you order it they also send a mag. on how to repower anything in there a guy put a john deere diesel in a pickup. i don't know what engine, truck, or tranny but it's in there. the whole magazine is based on ideas that farmer's have come up with to build thing's or to modify existing unit's to make life easier. i've been meaning to order it but haven't if you do a internet search for "form show" you should come up with it. have a good night boy's and girl's.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1879001 - 07/02/04 10:21 PM

That's where this article came from - heck, I thought I was the only one that read that stuff.

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1879478 - 07/03/04 10:14 AM

Hey Copper I've been reading that "Farm Show" for 20 years So your not the only one.

Matt

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1880108 - 07/03/04 11:12 PM

John Deere diesels are supposedly among the tops in fuel efficiency. For that reason it would be worth considering, especially if one can be found reasonable. I looked over a Deere engine suppliers website. Deere has a 6.8 6 cylinder that makes something like 650? tq in a rev range of 1400 to 2200. They also make a 5 cylinder that would be worth investigating. I think that might be a 5.4 or something.? It makes in the 500 tq range I think.....? Problem that I see is that they are almost 40" tall from pan to turbo. I suppose a few inches could be had by lowering the turbo, but I didn't look into it much.
Tony

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1880395 - 07/04/04 08:32 AM

were there's a will there's a way, if you got notch out a fender, move the radiator or cut a big hole in the hood, it can be done. a nice hood scoop should fix the engine height problem. my big question is there a tranny that will bolt up to the engine that would work well in a truck and get the proper gearing needed?

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1880523 - 07/04/04 11:11 AM

I'm a John Deere Ag mechanic and this topic comes up at least once a week, years back there was a guy who came through our shop who sold the kits to install into pickups but since this was before the diesel pickup craze nobody saw the importance of getting his Darn Name, sooner or later someone will find a source. My deere engine i have my eye on is the 6.8L but it is a little longer than 5.9 cummins ,one other problem is weight some of deere engines are biult to be part of the structure of the machine such as tractors, itwill be interesting to follow this.

Steve

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1880847 - 07/04/04 04:39 PM

I read a clip in the turbo diesel register a while back about a guy that put a John Deere ?420? in a "W" series pickup.
It looked pretty cool sitting under the hood!!

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Re: John Deere engine swap into a F350? new
#1881093 - 07/04/04 09:16 PM

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,one other problem is weight some of deere engines are biult to be part of the structure of the machine such as tractors, itwill be interesting to follow this.Steve




For the weight reason, it would be coolest to put a 6.8 into a F550 series truck. The front axles are rated at 6000 lb if I recall. Even a 450 would help. The 5 cylinder, if I remember was only a bit heavier than todays diesel pickup engines, wasn't it?
Tony

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