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Ben DuVal
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IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss
#537503 - 12/04/01 01:52 PM

I have an IH 1066 Tractor. Right now it is the best tractor I have for moving snow, and I need it.

The last couple mornings I have gone out to start it to scrape the snow off the roads, it has been missing. It doesn't smoke abnormally at all. I was thinking injectors? It is just an even miss, and it seems to clear up somewhat after a while.

The pump is fairly new, so I asked my local parts guru (gets em cheap ) to get a set of injectors but he doesn't have the books to look up what engine it is. Anyone know?

I think it is a DT 414?

We have two IH 1486's and two Ford 8790's in the shop right now so this is the only tractor I have with good traction to move snow.

Any help or info on these tractors would be great!

Thanks
BD

rock farmer
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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537504 - 12/04/01 02:23 PM

Go to http://www.ytmag.com/farmall/wwwboard1.html, those guys should know at least what engine it is. What is the year and serial number, just in case there were changes made, as these manufacturers tended to do. I think the 1086 had the 466 IH in it, but don't know about the 1066. I'm more of a John Deere guy please don't kick me off , but I know the 1066's exist, especially at tractor pulls

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537505 - 12/04/01 02:27 PM

DT-414 it is. The 1086's also had the DT-414. Actually until the 5X88 series nothing FAMRALL used the DT-466. Even the 1586 was only a DT-436. Sounds like You have a cylinder getting no fuel. Could be injector, could be the pump.

rock farmer
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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537506 - 12/04/01 02:44 PM

What was the DT-466 used in? Cause I heard some tractor pullers talking about boring out 466 blocks and putting JD 619 pistons in. They couldn't do it with a JD 466 block because it was too short.

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537507 - 12/04/01 07:33 PM

Hey rockfarmer,
I am on the YT site as well in the John Deere Forum. How come i never see you on there? I go my "Chuck McDonald" as my name and am usually getting folks mad at me....i dont mean to ...Really. Well as you can see by my sig i LOVE JD 2-Cylinder Tractors and FORD PSD TRUCKS!!! Anywho, just thought i would say something since you mentioned the YT page! Also, i was just curious CrusherRat how you like your 1066 IH. I drove a 1586 IH this summer and thought it was kinda hard to shift...BUT I DO LOVE THE SOUND OF A BIG IH DIESEL WHEN THE TUBO SPOOLS UP!! Thats my other weakness is latter IH diesels W/tubo. I also Like a 1468 IH with the twin pipes and V-8 motor! Talk about looking tough!!! Anywho, nice to see other tractor nuts on here.
Chuck McDonald
aka "Chuck Diesel"
P.S. what JD's do you have Rockfarmer...or anyone

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537508 - 12/04/01 07:35 PM

Hi Crusher Rat

We have 1066 I.H.BlackStripe W/DT414 In it also I agree w/ Dr. Evil it sounds like ya not gettin any fuel in the clinders & might be the pump or a injector We had a similar problem w/ ours & come to find out a fuel line was backed off some & made it miss just enough where ya could feel it when in a hard pull w/ our 10yard dirt pan or our sheepsfoot roller .


Here is a link for ya Bates Corp ( I.H. Farmall parts)


Hope this helps

Yall have a goodone

B-61

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537509 - 12/04/01 07:42 PM

P.S. Yall the DT414, DT436 use the DT466 Blocks


Hope this helps & yall have a goodone

B-61

Ben DuVal
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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537510 - 12/04/01 08:32 PM

I thought the engine resembled a DT466, what are the differences???

Thanks for the help guys, a set of injectors is on the way, we are almost sure this is the problem.

Anyway the 1066 is a HYDRO, which means it won't pull like the ones ya'll are use to, but they sure are handy in row crop applications, especailly were you have to change speed constantly.

Anyway, we will see how it goes.

My Dad loves tractor pulls... Any good sites???

BD

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537511 - 12/04/01 08:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CrusherRat:
Anyway the 1066 is a HYDRO, which means it won't pull like the ones ya'll are use to, but they sure are handy in row crop applications, especailly were you have to change speed constantly.
BD

You sure its a Hydro? I'm sure Dr. Evil can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe IH made any 1066 Hydro tractors. I know of the 100, 186, 70, 84, and 86, but don't think anymore models were made.

Ben DuVal
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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537512 - 12/04/01 08:51 PM

Yep, I am sure
If it is an oddball, we will own it. We own a couple of IH Hydro 100's and one Hydro 186, they are great for digging potatoes and onions (we used to do a lot of that [Sick] ) You have to know how to run them, but other than that, they are excellent tractors, IMHO.

BD

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537513 - 12/04/01 11:53 PM

JD Tractor Boy,

I think I've seen you over on yt the odd time, but I havn't been posting much lately....just get caught up in school work the odd time, and bein away from home I can't run out and check most of the things they talk bout over there.

I guess I don't have my signature up on this site yet, but I got a few Deeres....hmmmm....gotta get fingers and toes out here....I think I counted 11 2cyls, including two 60's, an R, and an AR that I restored....got a 3020, 4230, 2 4430's, a 4255, and the big brute, a 4760. No doubt I forgot a couple, hard to keep track with all that green paint! What all do you have? BTW, we use em all on the farm, eh? I'll probly be on the yt site more once exams are over, I go by dave g over there....long story as to why i'm not here......I almost like this one better, because it's true....

As far as the IH thing goes, I believe the 466 was used in the 4386 4wd tractors, and was just a bored out version of the 414. For some reason I had thought that it replaced the 414, much like the JD 466 replaced the 404. And as far as you're big IH with the V8 in it, nothing beats the 5020's that Kinze put the Detriots in (i forget which one off hand)....now that was cool!!!

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537514 - 12/06/01 12:25 AM

JP.... I'm going to have to Check Ken U's book to be sure but IH did do some crazy stuff with those Hydros. Only tractors to have DT-466's from the factory were the 4386's, 35 & 3788's, the 52 & 5488's, the 65 & 6788's. We won't count the "Super 70 Series" since there were so few made. And the 2 really big 4WD's, the 4586 & 4786 were both V-8 powered. The 5488 was actually a DTI-466, and possibly the 6788 too. I was gone from FARMALL by the time they were made.

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537515 - 12/05/01 06:53 PM

You guys don't even have to look in the books, IH made the 1066 hydro for 3 (?) years, and then it was replaced by the 100 hydro, which (correct me if I'm wrong) was basically a 966 hydro. We've also got a 1066 hydro, use it on a sweetcorn harvester. Our fertilizer salesman's dad had one on a potato harvester, and I saw 8-10 at the salvage yard (with 4wd) last year. Personally, I hate the thing. Most awkward tractor on the farm, and that hydro might be alright for high rpm/slow ground speed work, but if you want to run 6-8 mph @ 1500rpm, you see a 2-3 mph+ variation when you go up/down hill. What a pain. Give me a powershift and a green hood anyday!

For the guys who are keeping score..... IH cub, super C, 240, 560, 2x 826 gear, 1066 hydro

JD 70, 720, 820, 1020, 4240, 4640, 4455, 7400, 7410......

later,

Rodney

One last note about those injectors - You might want to take a look at the copper inserts in the head. Our 1066 had a rebuilt motor when we got it, and it would have an external miss. Some of the compression was coming past the bottom of the injector/copper tube seal, and it would come out exteranlly as a hissing sound. There was some sort of washer or something that we tried to replace, and it would work for a while, but give it some higher rpm, and it would start it again. What we did was drain a little water out (that copper tube goes directly to the water area), and screw a bolt into the copper. The bolt would make it's own thread, and it made getting that copper out real easy. Shove the new one in, and you're ready to go.

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537516 - 12/05/01 09:35 PM

Gotta dig all this tractor discussion especially the Green variety. I was just wondering if I've totally lost it, replace my tired 6.9 with a 404 with Intercooler or 466 with intercooler. I'd prababy have to order a flywheel and adapter from the Acme catalouge.!!! Add these to the list 455 L&G 3010 4020 side console M&W blower 4440,4640,7410,4960.....anyone want to buy a 1086 needs rearend work imagine that!!!!!!

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537517 - 12/05/01 09:48 PM

There was a 1066 hydro w/ 4wd in Fastline magazine in upper TN Around Fayetteville for around $6500.00 to $7,000.00 but it didnt have duals


Yall have a goodone

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537518 - 12/05/01 10:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by chad peiffer:
anyone want to buy a 1086 needs rearend work imagine that!!!!!!

We used to have an IH 1086, great tractor. Only thing that went wrong in the 8700 hours we ran it since new was one clutch and TA repair, other than that it ran like a champ. Had to upgrade to a newer tractor four years back to handle the new planter we bought. I love the CIH 7220 Magnum much more, but dad still talks about what a great tractor that 10 was.

B-61Mack, I wouldn't want duals on a hydro tractor. Those things don't lend themselves to tillage work very well at all. Loader work or square baling is where they shine.

Yeah, I did find a 1066 hydro when I went and searched for one. Found a bunch of other hydro tractors that I never thought were made.

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537519 - 12/06/01 08:28 PM

Hi Jp The Hydro farmall were rare around here . Ya seen more of the reg 66 & 86 I.H. Tractors here than anything Btw we also have a 7120 & its a good pullin tractor but i still think the 1066 is tops (esp w/ that 4" stright pipe on that DT414 )


Yall have a goodone

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Ben DuVal
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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537520 - 12/08/01 12:41 AM

quote:
that hydro might be alright for high rpm/slow ground speed work, but if you want to run 6-8 mph @ 1500rpm, you see a 2-3 mph+ variation when you go up/down hill

Hill? What is that? All of our fields are level flat, so that isn't that big of an issue. The hydros were more popular before we had machines with enough horsepower to easily do a job. Then you could constantly change ground speed, to utilize all the power you have. They also work great when you are digging something, and have to match the ground speed of a truck next to you.

With the newer 200+hp tractors (I love the Ford Genesis) we have enough power, so you can set your ground speed and pull it without having to change speed.

B-61, you're right, that 414 with straight pipe is sweet sounding

We have it tracked down to an injector also, thanks ya'll.

BD

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537521 - 12/11/01 10:24 AM

The cylinder bore on the 414, 436, 466 are the same at 4.3". What they change is the stroke, 414 has 4.75", 436 has 5" and the 466 has a 5.35" stroke. In our 1066 puller we run a 540ci engine which is the stock 466 5.35" crank with a Case sized piston which is 4.625". The piston is actually made by Hypermax. In our Hot Farm class there are 570 and 600ci with 400 series IH engine blocks being used. Super Farm goes to 650ci and Pro Stock goes to 680ci. I heard of a guy in southern IL that has 700+ci in a 400 series block that runs in some kind of hot farm class down there where they don't have ci limits.

As far as the miss, it could be the injector, pump, injector copper washers or copper sleeves. Are the injection lines tight? We had a big miss when we switched to our 15mm M100 injection pump. We had reused the aluminum injector seal washers on the injectors when we reinstalled them and they melted and was blowing compression past the injectors. On stock injectors, the washers are copper, but we run aluminum because they are thinner and gets the injector further in the hole. Good luck with your 1066.

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537522 - 12/11/01 11:05 AM

BEN - I bet those pistons from HYPERMAX are actually made by a company called Reinz or something like that in Lake City MN. Used to be called AE Piston products. They made ALL the sleeve, piston & rings & Pins for the BIG diesel engine companies like CAT, Cummins, IHC, DDA, deere, Allis, Etc.

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537523 - 12/11/01 06:30 PM

I'd really like to know who really makes those pistons. There are a few things we'd like to try and we don't want to cut this set up incase we want to go back. I would not be too surprised if it was hired out. I'm sure the liners are made by Darton. They are quite unreal though, we sometimes ran up to 2100 degrees and they did not melt, where as the stock 466 pistons and liners melted at 1800 degrees. We are not allowed to use water injection so that's why we see temps like that.

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537524 - 12/11/01 06:40 PM

Dr Evil,
What do you know about those Super 70 2+2's. I too heard there were only a few made and that the 7488 was like a 5488 drivetrain and the 7288 was like the 5288. I've heard stories about them having only one door opening like the Case or the Magnums and also the 18 speed full powershift like what is in the Magnum. Is there any truth to any of that? I myself farm with Case tractors but I've always kind of liked the IH as a close second and you can go pulling rather easily with an IH.

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537525 - 12/11/01 07:15 PM

Ben,
The Super 70 Series was a pretty short run.... like 25 units total. 19 or so of the 7288. There had been one for sale in London, Ohio at the CIH dealer.... the equipment superstore I believe - duals, new paint, 7000+ hours and I think they wanted around $50K. It DID NOT have the powershift. From what I understand, the powershift was going to be the next thing to come down the line, in the 5x88 series the next year, but we all know what happened there. SO far as the door opening.... it was the 88 series cab, so I think it had 2 doors. I grabbed some pictures (even though it was red!), but I don't have a scanner, or I'd send them to ya. Check over at toytractorshow.com, they have details and pics there. I also saw a brochure on ebay for like $40.

Rodney

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Re: IH 1066 Tractor, engine miss new
#537526 - 12/11/01 11:46 PM

I think there were only 16 or so of those Super 70 ever made. They were just like the 2+2s, only they gave them the Super 70 name because the wanted to stress that these were tractors made for heavy pulling. That was the main downfall of the first two 2+2 series, farmers saw an articulated frame and four big tires and thought they could do Steiger-like work with it instead of using it for jobs as they would with a large rowcrop such as a 1086 or 1486. If memory serves me right, the first 2+2s only had 1066 axles under them, not strong enough. I also thought it was interesting how they came up with the shape of the 2+2 so they could use powertrain componants they used for other tractors. IH had a bunch of parts all lined up for these things when they hit the money troubles. One can still see all the axles that were to be used lining the parking lot at Milan Surplus in Milan, IL. Its too bad that these weren't introduced sooner and a few more could have been made. Makes one wonder what might have been if IH would have had time to introduce both these and the Magnums under their own name. I don't know if it would have saved the company, but it wouldn't have hurt. The real shame is that the 2+2 design is now gone with little hope for it coming back. I think that it is the better rowcrop tractor design than a 2WD or MFD tractor of the same horsepower. I too saw that 7288 for sale in OH last year I think, seemed like quite a bit of money for a well used tractor, even if it was a better design.

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