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timntools
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dump bed and gooseneck?
#2046190 - 10/18/04 02:11 PM

Just curious, is it possible to tow a gooseneck somehow with a dump bed on a 350? The ones I've seen, the lift mech. is where the box for the hitch would attach...so is there any other way? or am I doomed to a pull-behind? (which means, selling what I have for a new trailer)

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2046238 - 10/18/04 02:32 PM

Yeah there is a way. They make an adapter for a reese hitch so you can pull a gooseneck like you would a pull trailer. I haven't looked for a link yet but they do exist.

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2046256 - 10/18/04 02:41 PM

like this?


if this is it, do you know how it would attach? just bolt to the bottom of the dump bed?

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Re: dump bed and goose neck? new
#2046437 - 10/18/04 04:33 PM

Nope, not it. What I was referring to just slides into the a standard class 3 to 5 receiver. It Allows you to tow a goose neck.

Guy on here had a picture of one pulling a goose neck flat bed loaded with round bales but I couldn't find it.

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Re: dump bed and goose neck? new
#2046484 - 10/18/04 04:58 PM

Are you thinking of this picture?

If so, my truck isn't a dump. Just a "fixed" flatbed.

I'm no expert at dump trucks, but I'm guessing that if there is a solution to allow a gneck behind a dump, it's either expensive, or doesn't work well because every dump I've ever seen with a trailer has a pintle.


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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2046589 - 10/18/04 05:58 PM

Hi timntools. Are you talking a flat bed dump, or a regular dump box? If a regular dump box, I think the sides are going to kill you. I donít know much about gooseneck trailer, but for the life of me I cannot see how a scissors type hoist would not work with a gooseneck hitch! The gooseneck mounts just in front of the rear axle, correct? The hoist will mount way up the frame, closer to the cap, and you can always turn the hoist 180* with the main pivot pins in the cab direction. The pictures of the gooseneck hitches Iíve seen mount right on the frame of the truck, or a sub frame, so why canít they mount right to the dump bedís long beams? Seems to me the biggest problem you would have is if you went with a 2Ēx6Ē wood deck, them you have to get a little creative with some type of frame to support the ends of the boards. Unless Iím missing something here, I donít see a problem!

timntools
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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2046980 - 10/18/04 09:32 PM

The dump bed is a lil 2-3 yard on an f350 so the sides aren't much higher than a normal truck bed. the extra spade is made up because its wider than a normal bed. As far as the scissors, it looked like to me the rest position was right where the gooseneck would have mounted to the frame.

the link I posted would be nice if it just attaches to the top of the bed, but is that possible? Would that be strong enough? It would be nice, cause then I wouldn't have to cut a hole in the bed and design a flap to cover the hole when I put something in it.

thanks

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2047965 - 10/19/04 12:09 PM

I have a f450 flat bed dump with a hole cut for my gooseneck hitch which is mounetd on the frame 5" behind the rear axle.

if you plan to have the trailer in any sort of difficult terrain the sides may be more of an issue than you think. On my old 96 F250 I hit the sides a couple of times. No damage but I had to manuever very carefully to get out of some locations.

Mounting to the bed is not wise. all the stress from towing would be on the rear hinge. and nothing holds the bed down except its own weight.

another consideration is that the bed is wider and may be a problem in turning. Make sure that the outside corners of the bed will clear the trailer before you start cutting and welding. Mine had to be mounetd 5" behind the axle to give my trailer the clearance I needed. My dump is a 9 footer.

If you are concered about the mounting location being behind the rear axle it has not been a problem for me. A long story short, a crane building company using a CAD program determined that 5" behind the rear axle with 2000lbs of pin weight would remove 62lbs from the front end.

WFTREE

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2048435 - 10/19/04 04:01 PM

WFTREE,

Do you have any pics of the set up. I have a friend who has an F450 with single cylinder dump bed that has a gooseneck trailer just sitting (use to tow it with another truck). We talked about putting the hitch on his 450, but the single cylinder is in the way. If there was some more information I could pass along to him it might help to get his trailer back in service.

L.J.

Edited by ljthawk (10/19/04 04:02 PM)

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2049688 - 10/20/04 08:28 AM

I will try and get some pictures tonight. I went to a shop and had them custom fab a hitch, 3/4" thick steel flat stock, 8" wide and long enough to extend over the frame. 2 heavy pieces of angle welded to the flat stock than bolted to the outside of the frame rail. with a ball mounted and 2 eyes for the safety cables. Cost about 250.00. Most of your pre-made hitch plates are channel made from thinner steel. This makes them to thick to fit under the dump bed. The spacers between the frame and the dump bed on mine ae 3/4" thick that is why I used such a heavy plate. I like to over build things!

My lift is a single cylinder scissor lift. by mounting it 5" behind the rear axle it gave me the clearance for the hitch and the clearance I needed to clear the bed when turning.

The hole in the deck is 18" square a plate with 2 studs welded to it fit in the hole. I welded some flat stock under the bed to hold the plate and allow it to be flush for dumping. Raise the bed to bolt down the plate.

WFTREE

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2051552 - 10/21/04 12:00 AM

sounds great, if you can get the pics up, that would be greatly appreciated. My 05 order is on hold till I can decide how to go about this.

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2052179 - 10/21/04 11:19 AM

Sorry did not get pictures, Pouring rain last nigh and dark by the time I got out of work. I will try again tonight or the weekend at the latest.

WFTREE

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2052331 - 10/21/04 12:44 PM

Great, thanks in advance.

L.J.

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2052947 - 10/21/04 06:40 PM

Quote:

Great, thanks in advance.







ditto

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2058515 - 10/25/04 11:52 AM

OK I took pictures but the file size is to big to post on this web site. I am too stupid to figure out how to reduce the file size. Give me a day or so and I will get them to you. I could e-mail if you want. PM me your e-mail addresses

Thanks WFTREE

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Re: dump bed and gooseneck? new
#2058725 - 10/25/04 02:11 PM

I'll just publicly give my e-mail address.

gt0030b@mail.gattech.edu

Thanks,

L.J.

Edited by ljthawk (10/25/04 02:11 PM)

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Re: dump bed and goose neck? new
#2071328 - 11/01/04 07:39 PM

Hey dirt farmer what kind of gooseneck trailer is that? Does it have dual or singles?
Thanks

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