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Firedude
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? on trailer for hauling firewood
#2266096 - 02/15/05 03:24 PM

OK guys here goes, brother in law and I are going to start hauling firewood off our families ranches (good side money in the cold months) I looking to get my own trailer for this, however not sure on what a cord of green juniper / cedar / pinon would weigh in at. Dad let me use his trailer this yr but like said I need my own, I have found a PJ 20' however I think it only has the 3,500# axles with a 2" coupler, and 5" Channel frame and tonge it is brand new basicly (one trip to Co. to haul furniture back) for $1500.00 , now the one I was useing was a Load King with 5,200# axles and 6" channel frame and tonge and worked great, sooooo do you guys think the PJ with the addition of 4'expanded metal sides would be heavy enough to haul 3-3.5 cords safyly? I knew the 6" frame and tonge would be but I cant find one within a 2-300 miles radius of me at a decent price all advice and sugestions are more than welcome

stay safe out there
Roy

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2266479 - 02/15/05 06:49 PM

No.

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2266535 - 02/15/05 07:19 PM

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however not sure on what a cord of green juniper / cedar / pinon would weigh in at.




4,000 to 4,500 per cord for most evergreen trees such as pine and spruce. 4,500 for aspen. More for any sort of oak. Green cedar is lighter, but you need to size the trailer for the heaviest you might haul, not the lightest.
http://www.multitekinc.com/tips/cord-of-wood-weight.html

So I'd say plan on 4,500 pounds per cord. 13,500 pounds for 3 cords, plus a few thousand pounds for the trailer, and you need a trailer with a minimum GVWR of about 18,000 pounds.

Minimum of three 5,000-pound axles. Better would be three 6,000 pound axles. Two 7,000-pound axles wouldn't be enough for hauling 3 cords.

And BTW, the trailer needs to be a gooseneck, not a bumper-pull tagalong.

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I have found a PJ 20' however I think it only has the 3,500# axles with a 2" coupler, ... sooooo do you guys think the PJ with the addition of 4'expanded metal sides would be heavy enough to haul 3-3.5 cords safyly?




What ericj said.

No. Two 3,500-pound axles won't even haul 2 cords safely, much less three or 3.5. One full cord plus maybe a few extra sticks. Don't forget the tear weight of the empty trailer when doing your calculations.

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2266557 - 02/15/05 07:31 PM

I am a certified arborist, and my chart shows green wood weighing anywhere from 45 to 70 pounds per cu. ft. Pine and Juniper are going to be 50-55 pounds. A cord is 4x4x8 so that's 128 cu.ft. At 50 pounds, that "wood" be 6400 pounds. If you figure 60 pounds to be safe, you have a load that weighs 7680 pounds. These are without the weight of the trailer of course, so a 7000 pound trailer won't cut it either "weigh."

FYI Dry wood shaves off about 10 pounds per cu. ft.

I occasionaly haul firwood in my F550, and just by the way the truck drives and sits, I can tell you that DRY wood is about 4500-5000 pounds per cord, and that's from experience not a chart.

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2266695 - 02/15/05 08:32 PM

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...and my chart shows green wood weighing anywhere from 45 to 70 pounds per cu. ft.




Solid wood, yes. But not stacked logs with all sorts of air pockets inside the cord.

The first chart I found was prepared by a state tax man. Revoonewer. And included in the state laws. They don't miss much when it comes to collecting taxes. And their chart was almost identical to the one linked above. But the chart above was easier to read, so that's why I chose it instead of the state law.

Either way, green forest logs are heavy!

Back in the '70s when my kids were still home we went up into a State Park in the Front Range south of Denver and collected logs felled by a cyclone. We drove a small station wagon and pulled a box trailer about 4'x8'x4'. We filled the back of the wagon about one foot deep, then filled the trailer about 3 feet deep. We probably had less than a cord, but that poor little wagon and trailer were both severely overloaded. We made it back to town without breaking any springs, but we were lucky.

Firedude
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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2266854 - 02/15/05 09:31 PM

Ok let me clear some things, first I DID NOT think the PJ trailer would be enough but thought I would ask, Yes I would LOVE a G.N. drop deck style trailer but dont have the funds for one of those, and last I would say that 95% of the wood that would be hauled out or has been hauled out is "seasoned" or been dried out at least 2-3 yrs, alot was pushed over to clear some more pasture land, and alot are dead ones that we want to "Clear" out to reduce fire danger, we wont be just throwing tree trunks in but cutting it into 18-22" lengths and splitting it, if anyone knows of were to look for some good decent used or even new trailers that are not a arm and a leg I would appriciate it, I know that the cost of steel has gotten out of hand which makes it harder to get a good trailer now days , thanks so far for the replies

stay safe out there
Roy

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2267055 - 02/15/05 10:47 PM

I'd say you need a trailer with weight distributing hitch that had a GVWR of 12000-14000 lbs. Say 16-18' long by whatever a dump is wide. Dump of course. That way you could haul say 2.5-3 cords of wood at a time. That will be a pricey trailer though. If you're just hauling a cord, I'd stay away from the 7000 lbs GVWR. It will just wear out too quick. You'll be running the thing close to max all the time.

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2267644 - 02/16/05 10:19 AM

If you want to find a cheep firewood hauler, get a used stock trailer. They have sides, a rear gate in case anything falls off of the stack, and generally heavy axles and tires. Also, you can just toss the wood in there and then shut the gate. Wait and stack it when you get to where you're going and stack in on the ground. Saves time and labor.

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2267754 - 02/16/05 11:24 AM

Hi Roy,

Wood weighs alot more than you think. I would use MW figures as there close too what I haul now.

Monday I pickup a level bed of this years white oak, split, loose stacked, and I was just touching my overloads.

Load last December was this years Juniper and again loose stacked, bed level. On my overloads just slightly but the wood was alot more green.

Both the above loads were real close to a 1/2 cord each.

I did 3 cords of pine, "very dry 90%" and 10% very green, on my 26ft tri-axle flat bed and was right at capicity. I've done this dry/green pine for the past 15yrs as I "had" a local source. I lost that free source this year and they would not even let me buy the wood. The thieves were stealing there cow manure so they closed there yard to outsiders.

Pretty bad when they will steal cow manure when 200yrds away the local feed lot will give it too you for free. The place makes potting soil and had to buy log ends to get the bark they wanted in there potting soil mix. They didn't use the log ends and thats what I got. They put in a large chipper to chip the 8" to 12" x 6ft log ends to compost.

So now it's the mountians this summer, no more free lunch.

1 1/2 cords on a tandum axle flatbed is about all that you will be able to safely truck at one time, day end and day out. If you want more capicity, I strongly urge you to get a dual tandum for multi-load useage.





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edited to correct the spelling of manure.

Edited by SmokeyWren (02/16/05 01:54 PM)

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2268011 - 02/16/05 02:14 PM

i think the ideal trailer would be a tandem duall gooseneck dump trailer. when you get where yer going dump it and go. i don't know to many guy's around here that sell firewood that stack it for you they dump and run. i can't believe nobody else even mention a dump trailer

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2268151 - 02/16/05 03:54 PM

He's not going to get a tandem dual dumper for $1500 unless it's very, very hot.

Firedude
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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2268520 - 02/16/05 07:13 PM

If hauling wood is all I was looking at with a trailer that mite work, however with a flatbed I can remove the sides and use it to haul hay, feed, and some of the small tractors, thanks for the replies

stay safe out there
Roy

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Re: ? on trailer for hauling firewood new
#2268733 - 02/16/05 08:40 PM

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He's not going to get a tandem dual dumper for $1500 unless it's very, very hot.




oh yeah good point i have a bad habit of forgetting some of the details it was a nice idea though

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