03-15-2008, 10:04 AM
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TedWhite posted this on 02-03-2008:
"... it's simply NOT TRUE that using lsd will plug the DPF as you were told by that technican. The fact is, techs are only parroting what they have been told by Ford but I haven't met one yet who has actually done the scientific research to find out if it is true. It's NOT !!!!
Here are some interesting links to SCIENTIFIC REPORTS from tests done by EPA appointed labs and the vehicle manufacturers:
www.aseanenvironment.info/Abstract/41014571.pdf
for the effect of sulfur on DOCs (Diesel Oxygen Catalysts).
www.nrel.gov/docs/fy02osti/31600.pdf
for Diesel Emissions Control Sulfur Effects Project
http://www.nrel.gov/vehiclesandfuels...pdfs/40015.pdf
for the Effect of Biodiesel Blends on DPF performance
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/...ive/828945.pdf
for Fuel Formulation Effects on Emission Control
www.sae.org/technical/papers/2002-01-2788
for Fuel Sulfur Effect on Membrane-Coated Diesel Particulate Filter
http://www.nrel.gov/vehiclesandfuels...erim3final.pdf
for Diesel Fuel Sulfur Effects on Particulate Emissions
http://www.pecj.or.jp/japanese/divis...zuhisaMOGI.pdf
for effects of sulfur on DPF performance
The FACT is, running LSD will NOT destroy a modern DPF. All of the Government and manufacturer testing gives the same results - it takes at least 40,000 miles for lsd to begin to have a long term effect on the DPF. That's right, AT LEAST 40,000 MILES ON LSD TO EVEN REGISTER ANY CHANGES IN DPF PERFORMANCE !!!!!
As you will see from reading the above material, the reason why it is illegal to use lsd has nothing to do with preserving the DPF. It all has to do with emissions. When fuel with more than 300ppm sulfur is burned in a vehicle with a DOC and DPF the sulfur compound emissions EXCEED the reductions achieved by the DPF. At 500ppm, which is the lsd maximum, the emissions of sulfur compounds are way over the allowable limit, despite being invisible, because the DOC helps form those sulfur compounds.
The new emissions systems have been around in the field now for long enough to start registering problems if lsd was clogging DPFs - it's NOT happening, but plenty of people are using lsd, either deliberately, or inadvertently.
FORD doesn't want you to use lsd because they have to give warranty coverage on the DPF to 100,000 miles, but if you use nothing but lsd you MIGHT shorten the time before the DPF has to be physically cleaned of ash deposits. That means FORD would have to pay and there's no way for them to know that it was caused by lsd.
I'm not counselling anyone to deliberately use lsd, I'm just providing FACTS instead of opinions. If anyone can find a single scientific study which proves me wrong, please post it here and I'll happily admit I was wrong.
And just for the record, I am presently in Mexico, having used higher sulfur fuel since Dec 1st with NO PROBLEMS and more than 6,000 miles of driving. I've also met and spoken with drivers of other Ford, GM and Dodge new engine, all of whom have NO PROBLEMS. The highest mileage on lsd to date in Mexico is a Dodge in the Baja with around 10,000 miles on high sulfur fuel.
So PLEASE, when you see other opinions and inuendos about lsd in forums, put a link to this post so that people can read the SCIENTIFIC FACTS instead of unsupported opinions. And that includes dealerships, who are either uninformed or deliberately lying to you.
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