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Originally Posted by Rushing
(I'm located in alberta but I wouldn't have an issue with driving to the states to pick it up)
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I know next to nothing about buying a new vehicle in the USA and importing it into Canada, but I'll bet it's not cheap. Check out all the details and costs of doing that before you decide.
Canadian Ford rules are different than ours. I don't keep up with those differences, but you should find out and compare them.
The X-Plan rules for US dealers are spelled out in two long sticky posts at the top of this forum. But I'll bet the rules for Canadian dealers are different.
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From my understanding the x-plan is basically the best deal you can get? I understand it is a couple hundred dollars under invoice yes? Is it easier to just use an x-plan pin or is it possible now a days to get cheaper (invoice plus rebates and such)?
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For most folks, X-Plan is a good deal. Yes, in the USA it's a coupla hunded bucks less than invoice, and you get all nationally-advertised rebates and incentives, and dealers are limited on how much "dealer pack" they can add to your contract. (But the rules for Canadian dealers may be different.)
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So my question is (cause I read somewhere on the forums that they have to show you invoice?) do they have to show invoice price?
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When you arrive at a dealership, don't say boo to anyone except to inquire where is the office of the fleet manager. When you find him, ask him if he will sell you a new (describe truck) on X-Plan. If he says yes, then your negotiating is done.
Yes, he has to show all X-Plan customers the invoice for your selected vehicle if it's in stock. On the invoice is the X-Plan price as well as the invoice price and other plan prices. But until you prove you are an X-Plan customer, then they don't have to show you anything except the window sticker. So get your X-Plan PIN before you visit the dealer.
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Are there any fees that a dealer might charge in which they aren't supposed to charge? I was reading that some salesmen will say you have to pay some extra fees to get more commission so what can and can't they charge you for when using an x-plan pin?
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Read the rules in those sticky posts at the top of this forums index. Those rules changed recently, but now I think they say the dealer can charge you up to so much for "documentation fee", where the old rules didn't allow documentation fee.
But it sounds like you are describing ADP, or "additional dealer profit" some dealers charge (and get away with, especially on "foreign" cars). And no, the dealer cannot add ADP to your X-Plan contract. But he can add doc fee, so know how much is the max doc fee the X-Plan allows.
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I know there's a fella on here by the name of "Bobby Williams", (this qeustion is directed at him if he happens to read it) would it be cheaper to go through him and buy a ford?
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Maybe. Bobby has a reputation of beating almost any deal you can find. After you get smart about customs and import fees, if it makes sense to buy a new truck in California and drive it back to Canada, then Bobby may be your man. You can contact him at:
Sunrise Ford Fleet, Large Commercial Ford Truck Dealership
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Or just go to a locale dealer and try and work something out IF I can't get an x-plan pin?
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You shouldn't have any problem getting an X-Plan PIN (or whatever it's called in Canada). There are numerous Ford assembly plants in Canada, and any Ford employee that works at one of those plants can give you a PIN. You may need to do some web surfing to find one, or maybe put a want ad in the classified ad section right here on TheDieselStop.
But if you cannot obtain an X-Plan PIN, then try to buy the truck for invoice price. If you deal only with the fleet manager, then he'll probably get out the invoice and show you what a terriric deal you are getting.
Market conditions vary day by day. If a dealer has a lot full trucks like you want, and he's had them for several months (or even years for 2008 models), then he's a lot more likely to give you a good price without too much haggling.
(Any fleet manager that will not show me the invoice is not going to get my business, whether or not I have an X-Plan PIN.)
