ccv mod ?

[skylinedan]

I'm not trying to start a war, but if I list this mod. in my signiture would that be a rule violation becase your messing with the emmisions to a extent. I don't want too brake any rules. Thanks Dan

[BEECHBM69]

I believe the short answer is "yes."

[MrPlowJr_EZ_V]

Thats a good question... Wonder if My sig still has the CCV mod listed... We'll see after this posts.

[skylinedan]

I proble have Jason wondering too, I'm sure he'll let us know. Dan

[PSDfreak]

There are many versions of this mod, one I'm thinking of in partcular route the vent through a canister and then out the canister BACK into the intake tube. Nothing is vented to the atmosphere, the oil vapor is simply routed through a canister to as not to collect oil in the intake/intercooler tubes/cac

-Casey

[Wreckingball_psd]

IS venting it illegal? Look under any class 5-up, until 07 atleast...dont want to start something, just asking...

[PSDfreak]

I dont know whether or not it is "legal" but I would think that venting it could possibly be construed as "polluting"

[teamroper60]

The Clean Air Act (CAA) lists the catalytic converter and EGR systems by name as emissions control devices. At this time, we have yet to find anything in the CAA that specifically mentions the CCV system. Therefore, as it stands now, we are not prohibiting discussions of altering it. Should we at some point in the future, learn that it is specifically mentioned, that status will be subject to change.

Before anyone begins to discuss the chips/tuners/etc and their alteration of the PCM, let me reiterate the following:

We have looked at the CAA a number of times and the problem is, it is not clear whether the PCM is considered part of the emissions control on our diesel pickups. The PCM is an emissions control device on light duty vehicles, but not on heavy duty ones (there is no medium duty classification in the CAA, BTW). It is clear that altering the PCM on a light duty vehicle would be a violation of the CAA. However altering it on a heavy duty vehicle would not be a violation.

So at issue is which classification our trucks fall into and this is a real problem. The CAA's definitions of what constitues light duty and heavy duty changes depending on the section. In some, our trucks are classified as light duty and in others they are classified as heavy duty. Thus, there is no clear cut answer to whether the PCM is an emissions control device in our applications or not. Therefore, as with the CCV, we are not prohibiting discussion of chips/tuners/etc.

[ddog]

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So at issue is which classification our trucks fall into and this is a real problem. The CAA's definitions of what constitues light duty and heavy duty changes depending on the section. In some, our trucks are classified as light duty and in others they are classified as heavy duty. Thus, there is no clear cut answer to whether the PCM is an emissions control device in our applications or not. Therefore, as with the CCV, we are not prohibiting discussion of chips/tuners/etc.

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While I doubt seriously that TDS will ever ever be in Federal Court over the discussions here,and I clearly understand the rules and could care less about EGR's and CATS since I won't own a diesel vehicle with either, I certainly hope the defense to support chip, tuner,PCM Mod, etc discussions will be better than "We weren't sure based on our interpretation so we figured it would be OK"

Do we know how many Automotive Enthusiast sites of any sort, Diesel, racing, Etc, Have been shut down by the Federal Government for discussing violations of the Clean Air Act?

BTW I haven't read one in a while, word for word, but I believe the Emmissons label affixed to every vehicle defines the vehicle class as of the mfg date and the emissions standard it complies to.

IIRC it starts out with- This vehicle conforms to ... for (pick one) passenger vehicle, light duty truck,medium duty truck, heavy duty truck, as of the date of manufacture, etc....

If Law is the premise, the fact TDS has created a separate forum for medium duty trucks implies an undertstanding that the other forums are for discussions of vehicles that aren't considered Medium Duty. IOW as an enthusiast organization, you have specialized knowledge and have already made a distinction between Medium Duty and the other vehicle types.

Again I doubt this will ever be a concern for TDS, but your justifcation for what you do and don't allow for discussion with respect to emissions wouldn't hold water in Federal Court IMO.

ddog

[teamroper60]

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BTW I haven't read one in a while, word for word, but I believe the Emmissons label affixed to every vehicle defines the vehicle class as of the mfg date and the emissions standard it complies to.

IIRC it starts out with- This vehicle conforms to ... for (pick one) passenger vehicle, light duty truck,medium duty truck, heavy duty truck, as of the date of manufacture, etc....

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I haven't read one for a while either, however again, if you go read the CAA, you will find that our trucks literally change classification depending on the section and that classification is all important when dealing with the CAA.

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If Law is the premise, the fact TDS has created a separate forum for medium duty trucks implies an undertstanding that the other forums are for discussions of vehicles that aren't considered Medium Duty. IOW as an enthusiast organization, you have specialized knowledge and have already made a distinction between Medium Duty and the other vehicle types.

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We have made a distinction based on models. The section you are referring to are differentiated by the particular model (F250&350,450 vs F550 &650). It is Ford who designated them medium duty. Again, if you look at the CAA, there is no medium duty classification.

As the original question has been answered, this thread is done.