question on locked post! - Diesel Forum

wackerjr · 08-07-2004, 07:29 PM

Just had a question as to the locked cat. converter post. in 99-current aftermarket and upgrades. Now with the last post being as it was before larry locked it(not douting what you did larry, I am against anybody modifying anything that the law says you shouldn't as I try to build everything on my ride to the law!) But if what was posted there was in any way violating the rules, then what about ALL the posts made by fellow diesel stoppers about quote unquote gutting the kitty, or Hey while your doing that exhaust remove that cat! It all seems the same to me and shouldn't those replies get removed as they are in essence saying the same thing? Just asking don't take it to heart or anything! Thanks.

Jeremy

Larry M · 08-08-2004, 07:48 AM

Trying to keep to the TDS policy of not discussing specifics let me just say from my personal view in GENERAL ...

I don't read every single post in every thread and I don't read many chip/lift/exhaust/tire threads unless the title interests me or catches my eye. While probably not the best answer, in my view sometimes it's a matter of degree and how a certain topic progresses in the postings keeping in mind how I think Jason wants the site run. Some things are cut and dry while others might be more of the grey area and more often than not policies/approaches are discussed privately first sometimes directed at a specific topic or more of a general nature.

Hope that helps some [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Larry

OMSK · 08-08-2004, 11:01 AM

Hmmmmmmm....

I don't routinely read this particular forum, and it seems I should have today.

I posted in the same forum that contained the "cat" thread, and suspect my post will be either closed or moved...

However, even after reading the posting here my questions and concerns remain the same.

And Larry even goes so far as to admit he rarely reads those posts concerning other legal issues such as tire, suspension, and other mods.

I guess I just took the deletion of the thread after my posting a bit personally.

Gregg

wackerjr · 08-08-2004, 11:58 AM

I have to agree With what was done in this instance, The post in question WAS in fact telling how to cheat the system,I.E. installing the case over the pipe to look like it had a cat when in fact it didn't. The post blatently stated how to in fact cheat the system. As for Larry's reply thank you I understand your point of view on this matter and I in fact agree, your comment about not looking at every post was tottally fine with me I understand you would have to have no life other than this site to catch every questionable post. I was simply making a statement that if we do one we have to try to do them all. Thanks again for helping to run one of the cleanest web pages on the net! Jeremy

timntools · 08-08-2004, 02:01 PM

ok, then every chip thread that mentions removing it before getting warranty/emissions test work done should be thrown out too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]isn't that cheating the system? Guess there won't be much left to talk about here cept for the beegees, then, eh? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img]

wackerjr · 08-08-2004, 07:54 PM

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ok, then every chip thread that mentions removing it before getting warranty/emissions test work done should be thrown out too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]isn't that cheating the system? Guess there won't be much left to talk about here cept for the beegees, then, eh? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img]

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You should read everything that is posted before you post something bud!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Because if you would have read my first post you would see I AM SAYING THE SAME THING!! I was in fact trying to see where does the moderators draw the line? Is it ok to post about a cat delete pipe? But gutting the kitty is not ok! Larry answered it very well without breaking the rules also! HE CAN'T read em' all,(in a nutshell!) If you read the post at hand I can see why Larry locked it. If you read my posts they were all related to did he have a cat or not? But as soon as it was posted "here is how you get around it" it was locked. So in this instance the thread turned to telling a guy how to break the law, In the removing of the chip instance your not breaking any law your trying to not have your warrenty voided, What law is broke there? Are you still cheating the system? You bet! Now as for the emissions sounds like that is for the moderators to decide!

Sounds to me like any one doing this relizes what they have on their truck is going to void it, that is a risk you take. Now if you knew me you would know I am not one of these WELL I NEVER MODIFY IT FOR THAT REASON GUYS, I am in fact voiding my warranty as we speak, with all the engine mods,To be posted soon!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

JEREMY [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]

mjl38351 · 08-25-2004, 03:33 PM

Why not delete the offending posts rather than lock the entire thread? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] I replied in it also, and I advised the person to find out if his truck originally was equiped with a converter; why not try finding one in salvage yard. I don't take offense exactly that it was locked for I do understand the logic behind it. however there was more than one post which did not imply nor instruct to do anything wrong(illegal) or otherwise. As it is, everybody's input was grouped together and all basically considered against the rules.

Deleting post is certainly not anything new, so it could have been done and salvaged the legimate part of the thread.

Mike

Diesel Jay · 08-25-2004, 06:06 PM

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Deleting post is certainly not anything new, so it could have been done and salvaged the legimate part of the thread.

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Actually, posts are never deleted -- we simply move them to an Administrative area where other Moderators, along with Jason, can review them.

However, that action has some built in consequences via the way the software is designed. Let's say Member A replies in a thread. Member B comes along, and replies with something we prohibit on the site. Subsequently, Member C wants to reply to Member A, but inadvertantly hits the 'Reply' button on Member B's post, simply because it's the last one in the thread.

The way the software is designed, Member C's post is linked to Member B's post in the database. If we 'Move' Member B's post, Member C's goes right with it. If subsequent replies are all linked together, the intention of removing one post can actually result in many, many posts moving as well.

Hence, it's sometimes easier to lock the thread as that preserves other, good information. Other times, removing the original post is necessary, and any linked posts are just innocent victims of that removal.

Regards,
Jay

Steve Spaulding · 08-25-2004, 06:47 PM

As the moderators have stated, UBB.threads isn't that friendly when it comes to deleting offending posts from a thread. On my board, if there is a "valuable" thread that needs to be preserved and kept open, sometimes I'll use the "edit" button to go in and erase the offending post, and replace it with a statement like:

"Inappropriate comment removed - SteveS"

That way, the garbage is gone, but the thread can continue. It also gets a point across. The down side is that it doesn't work if a subsequent post quotes the edited one. The quote doesn't change.

Bear in mind that it takes more time, which is a consideration when one has 100 threads to go through!

Larry M · 08-25-2004, 07:09 PM

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As the moderators have stated, UBB.threads isn't that friendly when it comes to deleting offending posts from a thread. On my board, if there is a "valuable" thread that needs to be preserved and kept open, sometimes I'll use the "edit" button to go in and erase the offending post, and replace it with a statement like:

"Inappropriate comment removed - SteveS"

That way, the garbage is gone, but the thread can continue. It also gets a point across. The down side is that it doesn't work if a subsequent post quotes the edited one. The quote doesn't change.

Bear in mind that it takes more time, which is a consideration when one has 100 threads to go through!

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Also, which is a consideration of mine is that when you edit a post like that is that you can loose the "paper trail" of what was removed.

As Jay and Steve have said this can be extremely time consuming and for those that aren't aware, almost every edited post that I have done in the last 18mos I have files of what the original post said along with a link to that now edited post in a file so that I can reconstruct what occurred.

I know folks at times are concerned that things might seem uncontrolled, but all I can say is that the current system in place here on TDS is as "fool proof" and "tamper proof" as I can envision it.

If some remember here about 2 months ago there was a situation where I had to remove over 60 individual "offending" posts that took me almost 3 hours to straighten out. Not something I wanted to face over my first cup of coffee at 5AM.

Also, to remove posts from a complicated thread is extremely difficult since you have to be in the threaded view mode and read every post individually one at a time to see what you might be removing if you remove the "one offending" post. I spent over an hour on this issue just this morning and chose neither to remove, edit (not a option since the offending post was quoted like 6 times), or close the thread since things seemed to being getting back to normal, my judgement call ... right or wrong I made what they call that "command decision". It's a matter of balance and what is in one's judgement best for the site and the information that might be lost.

I know it sounds trite, but "trust me" nothing here at TDS is open loop, no one is doing things for hidden reasons. Best advice I can give is to not take things too seriously and just move on and enjoy.

Larry M.
Moderator

KRMNAL1 · 08-25-2004, 08:24 PM

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I know it sounds trite, but "trust me" nothing here at TDS is open loop, no one is doing things for hidden reasons

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I don't know Larry you moderators have that super secret hand shake don't you [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Best advice I can give is to not take things too seriously and just move on and enjoy.

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If your post gets deleted just start a new thread on the same topic only don't post the same things it was deleted for the first time [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

mjl38351 · 08-27-2004, 09:41 AM

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However, that action has some built in consequences via the way the software is designed. Let's say Member A replies in a thread. Member B comes along, and replies with something we prohibit on the site. Subsequently, Member C wants to reply to Member A, but inadvertantly hits the 'Reply' button on Member B's post, simply because it's the last one in the thread.

The way the software is designed, Member C's post is linked to Member B's post in the database. If we 'Move' Member B's post, Member C's goes right with it. If subsequent replies are all linked together, the intention of removing one post can actually result in many, many posts moving as well.

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] That looks familiar

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Actually, posts are never deleted -- we simply move them to an Administrative area where other Moderators, along with Jason, can review them.

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Hence, it's sometimes easier to lock the thread as that preserves other, good information. Other times, removing the original post is necessary, and any linked posts are just innocent victims of that removal

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]And I forgot that "locked" is still viewable, just not able to post to. There just might be some logic to the maddness after all [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Mike

mjl38351 · 08-27-2004, 10:02 AM

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I know it sounds trite, but "trust me" nothing here at TDS is open loop, no one is doing things for hidden reasons. Best advice I can give is to not take things too seriously and just move on and enjoy.

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Best advice I can give is to not take things too seriously and just move on and enjoy.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I'm working on it!

Everything else you said

<font color="red"> </font> Content has been digested & analyzed.

<font color="black"> </font> After you and Jay (hi again Jay) explained it and I pondered on it; it is unarguable I suppose when presented with the whole picture. Darn, the way it seems maybe not be the way it really is! So having said that - Jay forget about everything I said earlier; You and Larry having stated the facts so well, there just doesn't seem to be anything to argue with you about anymore! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Mike