Please understand. I am NOT trying to start trouble or to tell anyone what we should or should not be able to discuss but I would like to hear some opinions and, possibly, a clarification from the mods.
What is the difference between discussing:
The removal of cats, unplugging egr, street racing, etc and....
Adding 150 horses, removing speed limiters, lifting trucks 10 feet in the air, and making a bunch of smoke.
All of above, I think, would be considered as violating some sort of law or regulation, whether it is emmissions regulations, traffic laws, laws of nature in some cases, wouldn't it?
It just seems like it's okay to talk about some illegal activites but not others.
Shouldn't we be consistent?
Does anyone else feel this way?
Once again, I'm not looking for trouble but it's been a little frustrating lately and I'm hoping someone can help me understand.
Respectfully,
WS
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In a post last year under another name(before my conputer burned), I stated that "that damn truck still will not....."
And the moderator changed 'damn' to 'dang' and edited my entire post. YET there is a thread now in GENERAL QUESTIONS with the word 'damn' in the title (DAMN AUTO HUBS) and 'hell' in the posters' very first post.
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The removal of cats, unplugging egr, street racing, etc and....
All are consitantly illegal from state to state if not federally.
Adding 150 horses, removing speed limiters, lifting trucks 10 feet in the air, and making a bunch of smoke.
All are NOT illegal. Adding power/removing speed limiters is not ilegal anywhere. It's not illegal to own a hammer, but it is illegal to hit someone on the head with it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
One possible exception is where "SOME" states have laws regarding heights of vehicles, but standard lift heights are generally not illegal for street use.
Smog laws have exceptions for diesel powered vehicles as smoke is part of normal operation also.
A 10' lift would likely be illegal for street use in any state. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Moderation is not perfect but even I (sigh) have to stop and consider all the stupid crap that gets posted and what a job it is to try to clean up after it all. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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The point is threads dealing with EGR disconnect are ALWAYS deleted/locked.
I have never seen a cat delete post edited.I figured it was because the vendors dont sell an egr delete,but they do sell a cat delete.
Either way a cat and an egr are both emissions requirements,and must remain intact to be emissions compliant, but IMO, TDS chooses to overlook the cat delete issue to help the supporting venders make a sale.
I could be wrong on this,the last time I saked this question it was deleted without an answer.
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The point is threads dealing with EGR disconnect are ALWAYS deleted/locked.
I have never seen a cat delete post edited.I figured it was because the vendors dont sell an egr delete,but they do sell a cat delete.
Either way a cat and an egr are both emissions requirements,and must remain intact to be emissions compliant, but IMO, TDS chooses to overlook the cat delete issue to help the supporting venders make a sale.
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Both are not allowed here. We've also notified vendors who offer a cat delete pipe from mentioning that here. So, there's no money making conspiracy at work. If you see it mentioned, hit the 'Notify Moderator' button on the post. There's no way for the mods to review every post out there, so help from the members is a necessity.
I just edited a post I made earlier today where I made mention of disabling the EGR Valve. Had I known that the mention of this illegal act was unacceptable here I never would have posted it in the first place.
I reviewed the forum rules several times yet I can find no mention of this as being a travesty to forum protocol.
Thankfully, I ran into this thread and was able to discover the error of my ways prior to a surprise edit or P.M. from a moderator.
If you have rules you wish to enforce it would be helpful to new members if they had a means to determine what they are.
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Disabling emissions control equipment is against the law. I also believe that that is noted in your truck's owners manual.
Discussing the Risk, Benefits and alternatives to these procedures doesn't mean we're going to do it. This is how we learn what these systems do and don't do. This is how we invent remedies that are acceptable to the feds or Ford. Hiding your heads in the sand that these things are not done doesn't help us learn anything about our trucks. I feel like I always have to go to another site to find out the rest of the story.
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Disabling emissions control equipment is against the law. I also believe that that is noted in your truck's owners manual.
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I also believe that that is noted in your truck's owners manual.
Regards,
Jay
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I'm just not so sure about your general statement that
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My thoughts on this are in my posts in <font color="red"> THIS THREAD</font>, specifically my post on 10/14/04 at 04:47 PM. Clearly the CAT falls into that designated category, but I'm not sure the EGR does, but it really doesn't make any difference since TDS management has made the EGR off limits for discussion so regardless it's not allowed just like religious, political and gun control discussions.
Larry
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If you recall, you and I had a discussion about this a while back (Funny thing is, at that time, not only were our roles reversed, our positions on the topic were apparently reversed as well!). According to the EPA, any device listed in their regs and/or any device so labeled by the manufacturer as an emissions control device is in fact, an emissions control device. Ford has labeled the EGR as an emissions control device (and it's even covered under their emissions warranty), so by definition, it is an emissions control device. Thus, tampering with it would be in violation of the site rules.
I'm not trying to be derogatory here, but what if it is an off-road farm type truck. If it was in that scenario then it is legal because off-road vehicles don't have to meet on-road emissions.
You might want to check out what the emissions requirements for off road equipment has done in the past few years. The emissions reqirements for this equipment by the EPA is amazing. It may be a bit behind on- road regs, but definately not by much (if any at all). It is also just as illegal to tamper with the systems on off- road equipment. ( I work on it for a living, so I know) So in reality, the common "off- road use" reasoning means nothing anymore. It would be very interesting to compare the regulations for these two classes of engines. A good spare- time project. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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