What exactly does the term "baiting" mean in relation to this site - Diesel Forum

**KINGTUT** · 10-16-2003, 08:14 PM

I ask this question with all due respect. I know what I think baiting means, and that is someone makes a statement or response in order to distract or otherwise cause the intent of the subject matter presented to conform or move in another direction. Said another way, it is communication that causes distraction from the point at hand. I have seen it. Now for the remedy. I think the "baiting" posts should be simply deleted, the poster warned by PM not to do it again, and the original post if within the site rules, should continue. I think to close a thread for the "baiting" by individuals during the course of that thread, only incites them to do it again and again, thereby assuring that they close down subject matter in which they are in disagreement.... Just my thought and is no way intended to be a criticism of Moderation here, just maybe another way to deal with it...........tut [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Ford_Forgotton · 10-16-2003, 08:40 PM

baiting is like trolling.

Its to purposely say or post a comment in such a way as to infuriate another reader and goad them into an emotional response in such a way as to pretty much lose any image of a resonable debate or conversation.

Baiting is used to get the mud slinging going.

Especially useful if you know that a certain reader has a short fuse and will respond with a fiery retort.

Going into the "other" forum and posting that all conservatives are going to burn in hell for supporting the great white satan Bush is baiting. Becuase I know that would light a fire under quite a few ppls behinds in that forum. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

**KINGTUT** · 10-16-2003, 08:44 PM

Exactly, FF, that is why the baiter should be punished not the thread.......otherwise the baiter wins.............and the reasonable posts are quashed.................tut............. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

Swany · 10-16-2003, 08:52 PM

It's almost rhetoric because no one can really do anything about it except the moderator.

I say, delete the thread, lock it, whatever...happens all the time in the other forum. I've been sent an email before for "slippage" of the keystroke and I'd assume that business is still happening (moderators contacting violators).

The best thing about a bait thread- you have the right not to bite...

**KINGTUT** · 10-16-2003, 08:57 PM

Swany, why delete the tread if it is appropriate comment, why not punish the baiter. That is all I am saying. If you empower baiter's with the ability to lock a thread by simply baiting, you will get encourage their conduct......I say stop the problem at the source, the BAIT.............moderation is a difficult job, and it may be that it is easier to just lock the thread when it occurs, for the sake of efficiency and to preserve site integrity, but it ultimately has a chilling effect on good posts............tut [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

kreynol2 · 10-16-2003, 10:20 PM

I do this as a volunteer. The amount of time necessary to read each post in every thread in the Other Forum is pretty daunting. It is a very active forum and many times, the subjects are fairly emotionally-charged. The baiting of "the other side" was getting so bad that if I responded to each baiting post by editing, sending an email, etc., it would have been an even more daunting task. Add to this the fact that for many people, an email from your ever-lovin' moderator isn't much of a threat. The only real threat with teeth is a banning from the site which we try not to do.

I was doing what you suggested, Tut. I'd read, edit, email, go back to reading, editing, emailing, etc. It was simply too time-consuming and in the end, ineffective since the same folks would go back to doing it in the next thread. I wasn't spending my free time anywhere but this forum, trying to curb the incendiary posts. I needed the forum to stop feeling free to simply unload on each other and get back to talking in a civil and restrained manner.

So, I tried something different. Bait threads were simply locked down the instant bait was thrown. By and large, this has worked. The Other Forum is a lot more congenial place, one where folks don't have to deal with getting blasted for expressing an opinion.

While that might close down an otherwise good thread, it seems to be the only thing that works and does not require me to give up my life to be a moderator.

Ultimately, even people who tend to write baiting posts want to talk or they wouldn't be posting in the first place. Once people see that any baiting post results in a locked thread (and hence, no more talk on that subject) I think they will stop doing it as much. Personally, speaking as a moderator, I think the Forum has responded and bait posts are much less frequent.

**KINGTUT** · 10-16-2003, 10:31 PM

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Once people see that any baiting post results in a locked thread (and hence, no more talk on that subject) I think they will stop doing it as much. Personally, speaking as a moderator, I think the Forum has responded and bait posts are much less frequent.

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As do I and encourage them to likewise stop the hi jinx, and allow those of us who are serious about our posts to post without interference, I understand the time consuming nature of the job, and appreciate it, equally, just locking their access is effective also, if determined to be habitual conduct.....................tut

bmw1200 · 10-17-2003, 08:41 AM

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Once people see that any baiting post results in a locked thread (and hence, no more talk on that subject) I think they will stop doing it as much. Personally, speaking as a moderator, I think the Forum has responded and bait posts are much less frequent.

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As do I and encourage them to likewise stop the hi jinx, and allow those of us who are serious about our posts to post without interference, I understand the time consuming nature of the job, and appreciate it, equally, just locking their access is effective also, if determined to be habitual conduct.....................tut

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I agree fullheartedly tut, I would'nt or could'nt even try to moderate a site [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]

twildman · 10-17-2003, 04:47 PM

Oh come on Kevin, you are kidding me right? You absolutly love locking threads and sending viscious e-mails and pm's. You live for the power to lock, delete and tell someone what to say and when to say it.

Just kiddin Kevin. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] I wouldn't want your job even at twice your salary [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]. There are sometimes that we behave like a bunch of kids and you have to slap us back to reality. I kinda agree with Tut though, why not simply delete the post and put the little note deleted bait post on it and keep on reading? This wouldn't be anymore time consuming than locking it outright would it? I don't understand all the steps you have to go through to delete a post, but if you are doing about the same work, wouldn't it be worth a shot?

worntorn · 10-17-2003, 05:05 PM

I often wonder how much of the really vitriolic stuff is the result of an evening spent in the company of Jack Daniels. I notice some people who are ordinarily lucid and well mannered in expressing their point of view occasionally become somewhat incoherent and ready to get nasty at the slightest provocation. Now that I can't drink, I really notice these things. Geez, I'm almost Temperence.
The moderator has little choice with people who get this way but to do a lock down. Usually, but not always, the offending member comes back all apologetic after blood/alcohol levels drop below .08 or so.
Then there are other people who are either drunk all the time or just love to start a nasty fight without actually taking a direct hit on the jaw, as would often happen in the same situation in a bar.

GEARJAMMER · 10-17-2003, 05:52 PM

Religion topics are banned. I think politics should be added to the list.

Shawn [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]

South_40 · 10-17-2003, 08:27 PM

Just curious but what is the best "Bait" to use in these waters?

Worms, stink bait, artificial lures?

HEHE, Just kidding trying to add a little humor to the thread.

I DO Moderate, AND Administer a BB and I have ALLOT of respect for all the folks charged with these types of duties in ANY BB.

I rely solely on someone telling me there is something out of line in a thread though, there is NO way on God's green earth I could OR WOULD sit and read every thread looking for something out of line, I HAVE a LIFE.

I say perhaps there might be a better way to do the job, BUT if the current way of dealing with it is working then it is not broke so don't fix it.

On the other hand, trying a different approach for a short period to see if it might help would not hurt either, we all need to remain flexable.

Oh I forgot to mention, I steer clear of some threads that I DO have a few choice words on the given subject, but I know if I get started I might cause a problem, so I follow the "Golden" rule...

It is sometimes better to remain slient and be thought a FOOL than to open thy mouth and remove all doubt.

Best Regards
Paul

RopinandRidin · 10-20-2003, 09:38 PM

I agree with the King as far as just removing the offending post as oppsed to punishing everybody in the thread. As far as Kevin taking half of his life reading, editing and emailing, Shoot, just delete the post and save the emailing and editing. It would be quicker and with less burnout, he might be more lenient with the excellent posts made by my conservative posting brothers. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

Mike

jdadamsjr · 10-21-2003, 07:31 AM

And the most important point here is that we ALL have a stake in this - if 'the bad guys' take over the forums we all lose a great source of info, etc...

Therefore we should ALL participate in pointing out the out of lines threads...
I have been known to YELL withing the thread at the posters to be more than children - and sometimes that's all it needs !

My bad, I've not done it before, but will start reporting as I see it to try and help a very busy man on a very busy site ! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]

RopinandRidin · 10-21-2003, 09:56 PM

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Therefore we should ALL participate in pointing out the out of lines threads

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Well, I've made my stance on tattling clear. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img]The mods can handle that, I just think it would be easier for us and easier on them if they just deleted the post and went on.

Mike