What is with the overmoderating? - Diesel Forum

corky · 09-22-2005, 05:55 PM

I think it's ridiculous. Some moderating is appropriate but the kind here is outright oppressive.

Example one

Example two

On Edit: Fixed posted links to eliminate the need for horizontal page scrolling.

teamroper60 · 09-22-2005, 06:37 PM

Corky,

Both of those threads were edited by me. That being the case, I will address your question.

The first thread you linked to concerned street racing. The Diesel Stop Forum agreement, which every member here has agreed to abide by states:

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You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

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Since street racing is an illegal activity it was closed for violating this policy.

The second thread contained a myriad of off topic posts and comments, which were edited out. Posting off topic comments is also against site policy, thus they were removed. The alternative was to lock it too.

As moderators, our job is to enforce the policies as they are posted by Jason. That is what I (and the other moderators) are doing and will continue to do.

Lastly, I direct you to this portion of the TDS forum agreement mentioned above:

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Although this BB does not and cannot review all the messages posted and is not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we at TheDieselStop.Com reserve the right to delete any message or account for any or no reason whatsoever.

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Again, those are the rules you agreed to abide by when you signed up.

oldford · 09-22-2005, 09:00 PM

I guess we shouldnt discuss the sct programer mine came with a sticker that said it was NOT 50 state legal so that being against the law to use I feel if this is the way to "edit or delete" threads at the discretion of the site ALL threads about the sct2 should be immediatly removed. after all we all must follow all laws right?? there is no gray area in this its either legal or not edited or not. I learned a lot from people on this site noe its just the same ??'s over and over to learn what my truck can do or better yet what I can do to my truck I have to go elswhere.

klhansen · 09-22-2005, 09:46 PM

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I learned a lot from people on this site noe its just the same ??'s over and over to learn what my truck can do or better yet what I can do to my truck I have to go elswhere.

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How about contributing what you found out to others who are now in the position you were in before? That's what this site is based on. Everyone helping everyone else.

Also, if everyone followed the rules, there would be no need for moderators.

larry_minn · 09-23-2005, 12:45 AM

corky IMO contact the Mod who closed the thread. Sad to say they are needed. I had my post (edited) and they ruined the info. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Guess they thought I was trying to get more people to see a truck I had for sale. THing is I did NOT have a truck for sale/horse in that race. Just posted info incase anyone here needed what sounded like a good deal in the for sale area.
THEN I got e-mail from scammers. SO I posted for sale info so the e-mails I cut/pasted would be shown for how far off they are. (poor English,price mistakes,not understanding "even when I posted many times in add that I was NOT the owner/had not SEEN the truck" etc) Just didn't make sense without it.
Oh well

oldford · 09-23-2005, 02:09 AM

way to ignore the point of my previous post:
"the sct programer mine came with a sticker that said it was NOT 50 state legal so that being against the law "
If you are going to delete posts or lock them for illegal activity ALL SCT XCAL2 posts MUST BE LOCKED OD DELETED according to YOUR!! RULES OF THIS SITE DO NOT SIDE STEP THIS ISSUE! it is either all or nothing with the rules not bending for things you like or use. Using the xcal2 or cutting out your cat are both violating FEDRAL law there is NO difference.

From TheDieselStop.com Forum Membership Agreement...
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or ............. or otherwise violative of any law.

This is the sites rules and they according to the"overmoderaters" must be kept.

Now to all of you who think I am nuts I am sorry but I cant stand people who claim one thing and stick to it but bend on the next I personnally have the xcal2 and love it however since it is NOT 50 state legal which any disscution of violates the rules of this site so this will probably be either edited or deleted so I guess it wont matter [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] I realize that I sound trivial but in the last 2 months it seems there is more argument about what can be posted or not.
Maybe its time to re-evaluate some of the rules and clarify some things so we dont have a "gray" area that shouldnt be there and wont make us wonder where the post went.

CSIPSD · 09-23-2005, 11:21 AM

What I cant understand is why it bothers some people so much [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]? If a post gets locked or deleted do you lose sleep, or money, or anything? This is a free site, enjoy it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]! Yes I agree some things are a hard line to walk but its not our walk, it's the job of the mods. Most times something is locked or deleted the poster gets a e-mail or PM stating the reason, take it up via PM or e-mail rather then in a open forum. Its like calling someone out in the playground, there on the defensive now [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]. Maybe you (anyone, no attack meant [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) could learn something from it by talking to the said mod.

Love the site [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]!

Maxson · 09-23-2005, 12:24 PM

We get upset, because right about the time we think we are going to learn some new info/tech, that may or may not be useful, but we have an interest, it's yanked out from underneath us.
No ones swearing, no ones posting porn, we just have the desire to learn and be informed about all aspects of modifing and using our trucks.

Vengeance · 09-23-2005, 12:35 PM

You guys have to remember, they are new mods, they haven't adjusted yet, at least they are trying to be fair in their moderation. Although I can't figure out why they are allowing so many new guys to advertise their products and not put a stop to it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] it just keeps going on....

powerpit · 09-23-2005, 08:56 PM

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way to ignore the point of my previous post:
"the sct programer mine came with a sticker that said it was NOT 50 state legal so that being against the law "
If you are going to delete posts or lock them for illegal activity ALL SCT XCAL2 posts MUST BE LOCKED OD DELETED according to YOUR!! RULES OF THIS SITE DO NOT SIDE STEP THIS ISSUE! it is either all or nothing with the rules not bending for things you like or use. Using the xcal2 or cutting out your cat are both violating FEDRAL law there is NO difference.

From TheDieselStop.com Forum Membership Agreement...
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or ............. or otherwise violative of any law.

This is the sites rules and they according to the"overmoderaters" must be kept.

Now to all of you who think I am nuts I am sorry but I cant stand people who claim one thing and stick to it but bend on the next I personnally have the xcal2 and love it however since it is NOT 50 state legal which any disscution of violates the rules of this site so this will probably be either edited or deleted so I guess it wont matter [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] I realize that I sound trivial but in the last 2 months it seems there is more argument about what can be posted or not.
Maybe its time to re-evaluate some of the rules and clarify some things so we dont have a "gray" area that shouldnt be there and wont make us wonder where the post went.

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Well said.
with that said have you noticed that a lot of the older members do not come here any more that should be a clue. That this non democracy should be reevaluated.

KRMNAL1 · 09-23-2005, 09:12 PM

Jesus Christmas why all the hate and discontent [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] I still read this site 4 or 5 times a week even though I now have a Dodge but for the love of sam would you guys stop with the constant whining and crying about the moderating because it's not gonna change.

I am no fan of over moderating the site but even I could see why the 2 referrenced threads were locked, in the recent past those threads would have disappeared so you should stop complaining and thank the mods for at least trying to clean them up but if this kind of nonsense keeps up these new mods will quickly grow tired of trying to explain their actions and just start deleting everything rather than editing

BTW, no 8k Ford pick up truck was doing 140 mph or keeping up with a BMW M5 [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] these are only fish stories and lead to nothing more than "my dad can beat up your dad" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

djp9747 · 09-23-2005, 09:27 PM

The moderating on this board is over the top at times. I get more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a donut roll down the street. What I've learned that is if you drive a Ford truck, and list it in your signature, you are free to complain, question, redicule, etc the Ford trucks. If you drive a Chevy or Dodge, then forget about it (even if you previously owned a Ford truck). Any comment you make about a Ford truck in a negative tone immediately attracts the attention of the moderators.

I can't tell you how many threads I read from user "creeper" who consitently blasts Ford 6.0 and all the problems they have, but nothing is done to him because he owns a 2006 Ford. But I make a comment on what Chevy/Toyota/Dodge are coming out with (hp/tq wise) in 2007 versus what Ford is projected to come out with, and WHAM Moderater comes in and locks thread accusing me of starting brand wars. I try and post a response, and moderator deletes it.

Simply amazing.

MORPWRR · 09-23-2005, 09:36 PM

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Corky,

Both of those threads were edited by me. That being the case, I will address your question.

The first thread you linked to concerned street racing. The Diesel Stop Forum agreement, which every member here has agreed to abide by states:

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Teamroper,

Whether it was illegal street racing or not, that thread was pure fabrication anyway. Anyone who thinks a "slightly" modified PSD will keep up with an M5 at 140 mph is in their own dream world.

While I agree that people have the right to freedom of speech (not on personally owned websites), I do agree with threads like that being shut down. Even if it were posted as a race track event, it still could have been deleted under the catch all phrase, "Although this BB does not and cannot review all the messages posted and is not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we at TheDieselStop.Com reserve the right to delete any message or account for any or no reason whatsoever."

Gale Simpson · 09-24-2005, 02:03 AM

What bothers me most about all the moderation is that its okay to advertise just about anything on thedieselstop.
Modules, exhausts (that delete the cat, oh my).
Why is it okay to advertise aftermarket products but not ok too discuss them?
It appears that as long as the advertising money is flowing toward thedieselstop its okay.

Gale

roofeditor · 09-24-2005, 08:20 AM

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Jesus Christmas why all the hate and discontent [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] I still read this site 4 or 5 times a week even though I now have a Dodge but for the love of sam would you guys stop with the constant whining and crying about the moderating because it's not gonna change.

I am no fan of over moderating the site but even I could see why the 2 referrenced threads were locked, in the recent past those threads would have disappeared so you should stop complaining and thank the mods for at least trying to clean them up but if this kind of nonsense keeps up these new mods will quickly grow tired of trying to explain their actions and just start deleting everything rather than editing

BTW, no 8k Ford pick up truck was doing 140 mph or keeping up with a BMW M5 [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] these are only fish stories and lead to nothing more than "my dad can beat up your dad" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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You're sill OK even though you drive a Dodge!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]