6,000 of these!!!

[roofeditor]

Parts for a New Centrifuge - The New York Times#

I see no good coming from this!

[roofeditor]

Ya hear about T Boone Pickens but did you know the largest wind development is owned by Europeans???



Horizon Wind Energy, formerly Zilkha Renewable Energy, develops, constructs, owns, and operates wind farms throughout the United States. Horizon is based in Houston, Texas with regional offices in New York, Oregon, Illinois, California, Colorado and Minnesota. With over 200 employees, Horizon has developed more than 2,000 megawatts (MW) and owns over 1,300 MW of operating wind farms. Horizon, which is currently developing a portfolio of more than 10,500 MW in over 15 states, is owned by Energias de Portugal (EDP), the largest utility in Portugal.

Sooooo if we don't pay the Arabs for oil we pay the Europeans for OUR wind power. OK Dick, What The Heck is a little timid.....ya need the real words!!!

What is wrong with this country and why is the media not reporting this?

What's next Saudi Arabia building building bio-diesel here?

We are not going to win the energy battle like this!

[short_stuff]

It's right up there with us allowing companies from Spain to build and own our toll roads. So, not only do we pay them for our own wind power, but we pay them for the priveledge of driving in our own country. P.T. Barnum was absolutely spot on. And you might be surprised how many foreign owners there are of our mega-farms up in the mid-west. And the mortgage mess already caught a lot of overseas investors with their pants down. just my .02 cents worth.

short_stuff

[MackE7]

If its so bad that someone else owns our stuff, how much money have you personally invested in alternative energy or even oil stocks ?

[short_stuff]

Why should that matter?

[MackE7]

Originally Posted by short_stuff

Why should that matter?

Where do you think the capital and equity comes for projects like that ? INVESTORS ! You and I !

This is just typical. We complain to no end that other countries are taking over, yet we don't invest in our own country. Does anyone have any savings anymore ?

[short_stuff]

So, you think that having our roads owned by foreign investors is a good business practice? You think that our farms should be owned by foreign investors so that all of the profits go over seas? I would like to think that my stocks and mutual funds moneys are the capital that you are referring to. I would like to think that owning several houses and paying all the different taxes is keeping my money in the states. I could be wrong. I'm not arguing that maybe we don't invest enough in our country, but we can only be squeezed so much before there isn't any more discretionary money to 'invest' like you think we should be doing.

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[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by roofeditor

Ya hear about T Boone Pickens but did you know the largest wind development is owned by Europeans???



Horizon Wind Energy, formerly Zilkha Renewable Energy, develops, constructs, owns, and operates wind farms throughout the United States. Horizon is based in Houston, Texas with regional offices in New York, Oregon, Illinois, California, Colorado and Minnesota. With over 200 employees, Horizon has developed more than 2,000 megawatts (MW) and owns over 1,300 MW of operating wind farms. Horizon, which is currently developing a portfolio of more than 10,500 MW in over 15 states, is owned by Energias de Portugal (EDP), the largest utility in Portugal.

Sooooo if we don't pay the Arabs for oil we pay the Europeans for OUR wind power. OK Dick, What The Heck is a little timid.....ya need the real words!!!

What is wrong with this country and why is the media not reporting this?

What's next Saudi Arabia building building bio-diesel here?

We are not going to win the energy battle like this!

Bailing out the mortgage "securitization" is doing nothing more than bailing out foreign speculators.

As an aside, London is who owns everything. They know the U.S. is getting tired of oil and that we are going to do something about it. London acts as the "go between" for the U.S. and the Middle-East.

The replacement for trading oil on those exchanges is carbon credits.

That is why there is such a fervent push from the GW crowd. London owns all the major wind power sites in the U.S., I pointed this out in another post.

Al Gore's Hedge Fund is based in London...go figure.

Barter the carbon-credits then buy up all the viable sites where people will have to get power so you make money from selling them a carbon credit or from selling them some wind power.

Not a conspiracy theory, just a business model.

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by MackE7

Where do you think the capital and equity comes for projects like that ? INVESTORS ! You and I !

This is just typical. We complain to no end that other countries are taking over, yet we don't invest in our own country. Does anyone have any savings anymore ?

I do. The problem? People keep trying to take it either through inflation or through increased prices of necessary goods.

America has caved to foreign investors. This is your generations fault. You are the ones selling out the country and worshipping at the feet of sell outs like Dick Cheney, Warren Buffet and Pickens.

Those guys are corporate raiders. They can't start a business and do something useful. They can only move in, cut costs and leverage a whole bunch of debt onto the company that ends up crippling it.

They hump then dump and are called the "darlings" of Wall-Street and worshipped by many.

The financial system has gotten so large that it basically ends up gobbling the whole country. You have entire skyscrapers full of people that do nothing productive except shuffle paper.

The first solution to this problem was outsourcing. This allows investors to maintain unrealistic margins by taking money away from labor to put into their own pocket. The next round was interest-rate cuts which is what got us here to where we are today. And now what?

This has all happened before. Read Roosevelts inagural speech.

See any similarities?

I am certain that my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency I will address them with a candor and a decision which the present situation of our people impel. This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.


In such a spirit on my part and on yours we face our common difficulties. They concern, thank God, only material things. Values have shrunken to fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay has fallen; government of all kinds is faced by serious curtailment of income; the means of exchange are frozen in the currents of trade; the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side; farmers find no markets for their produce; the savings of many years in thousands of families are gone.

More important, a host of unemployed citizens face the grim problem of existence, and an equally great number toil with little return. Only a foolish optimist can deny the dark realities of the moment.
Yet our distress comes from no failure of substance. We are stricken by no plague of locusts. Compared with the perils which our forefathers conquered because they believed and were not afraid, we have still much to be thankful for. Nature still offers her bounty and human efforts have multiplied it. Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply. Primarily this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind’s goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.

True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.

The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.

Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy and moral stimulation of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits. These dark days will be worth all they cost us if they teach us that our true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves and to our fellow men.

Recognition of the falsity of material wealth as the standard of success goes hand in hand with the abandonment of the false belief that public office and high political position are to be valued only by the standards of pride of place and personal profit; and there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing. Small wonder that confidence languishes, for it thrives only on honesty, on honor, on the sacredness of obligations, on faithful protection, on unselfish performance; without them it cannot live.

Restoration calls, however, not for changes in ethics alone. This Nation asks for action, and action now.
Our greatest primary task is to put people to work. This is no unsolvable problem if we face it wisely and courageously. It can be accomplished in part by direct recruiting by the Government itself, treating the task as we would treat the emergency of a war, but at the same time, through this employment, accomplishing greatly needed projects to stimulate and reorganize the use of our natural resources.
Hand in hand with this we must frankly recognize the overbalance of population in our industrial centers and, by engaging on a national scale in a redistribution, endeavor to provide a better use of the land for those best fitted for the land. The task can be helped by definite efforts to raise the values of agricultural products and with this the power to purchase the output of our cities. It can be helped by preventing realistically the tragedy of the growing loss through foreclosure of our small homes and our farms. It can be helped by insistence that the Federal, State, and local governments act forthwith on the demand that their cost be drastically reduced. It can be helped by the unifying of relief activities which today are often scattered, uneconomical, and unequal. It can be helped by national planning for and supervision of all forms of transportation and of communications and other utilities which have a definitely public character. There are many ways in which it can be helped, but it can never be helped merely by talking about it. We must act and act quickly.

Finally, in our progress toward a resumption of work we require two safeguards against a return of the evils of the old order; there must be a strict supervision of all banking and credits and investments; there must be an end to speculation with other people’s money, and there must be provision for an adequate but sound currency.

There are the lines of attack. I shall presently urge upon a new Congress in special session detailed measures for their fulfillment, and I shall seek the immediate assistance of the several States.

Through this program of action we address ourselves to putting our own national house in order and making income balance outgo. Our international trade relations, though vastly important, are in point of time and necessity secondary to the establishment of a sound national economy. I favor as a practical policy the putting of first things first. I shall spare no effort to restore world trade by international economic readjustment, but the emergency at home cannot wait on that accomplishment.

The basic thought that guides these specific means of national recovery is not narrowly nationalistic. It is the insistence, as a first consideration, upon the interdependence of the various elements in all parts of the United States—a recognition of the old and permanently important manifestation of the American spirit of the pioneer. It is the way to recovery. It is the immediate way. It is the strongest assurance that the recovery will endure.

In the field of world policy I would dedicate this Nation to the policy of the good neighbor—the neighbor who resolutely respects himself and, because he does so, respects the rights of others—the neighbor who respects his obligations and respects the sanctity of his agreements in and with a world of neighbors.

If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife.
With this pledge taken, I assume unhesitatingly the leadership of this great army of our people dedicated to a disciplined attack upon our common problems.

Action in this image and to this end is feasible under the form of government which we have inherited from our ancestors. Our Constitution is so simple and practical that it is possible always to meet extraordinary needs by changes in emphasis and arrangement without loss of essential form. That is why our constitutional system has proved itself the most superbly enduring political mechanism the modern world has produced. It has met every stress of vast expansion of territory, of foreign wars, of bitter internal strife, of world relations.
It is to be hoped that the normal balance of executive and legislative authority may be wholly adequate to meet the unprecedented task before us. But it may be that an unprecedented demand and need for undelayed action may call for temporary departure from that normal balance of public procedure.
I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These measures, or such other measures as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my constitutional authority, to bring to speedy adoption.
But in the event that the Congress shall fail to take one of these two courses, and in the event that the national emergency is still critical, I shall not evade the clear course of duty that will then confront me. I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis—broad Executive power to wage a war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe.
For the trust reposed in me I will return the courage and the devotion that befit the time. I can do no less.
We face the arduous days that lie before us in the warm courage of the national unity; with the clear consciousness of seeking old and precious moral values; with the clean satisfaction that comes from the stern performance of duty by old and young alike. We aim at the assurance of a rounded and permanent national life.
We do not distrust the future of essential democracy. The people of the United States have not failed. In their need they have registered a mandate that they want direct, vigorous action. They have asked for discipline and direction under leadership. They have made me the present instrument of their wishes. In the spirit of the gift I take it. In this dedication of a Nation we humbly ask the blessing of God. May He protect each and every one of us. May He guide me in the days to come


We did away with our sound currency under Nixon when we went off Bretton-Woods and we did away with Banking regulation in the early 80's which brought us the Savings and Loan scandal, then even more so during the 90's.

"Privatize" profit and "Nationalize" losses. Think "Vouchers" for private schools and you find institutions that own a large number of schools as the prime lobbying group.

Sell your roads to foreign investors who will run them on a 30% margin until they are dead at which point the government will have to buy them back or roads owners will tell people their taxes are too high and that is why they can't maintain the road.....

Ok, rant off.

[roofeditor]

Originally Posted by MackE7

Where do you think the capital and equity comes for projects like that ? INVESTORS ! You and I !

This is just typical. We complain to no end that other countries are taking over, yet we don't invest in our own country. Does anyone have any savings anymore ?

I personally have over one million invested in drilling, solar and wind HERE! I have personally invested over 3 million in (depressed) real-estate HERE! I pay taxes on all of this HERE. My employees pay taxes on this HERE!

That said, I welcome foreign investment but not foreign CONTROL!

As Americans we are prohibited from taking a control position in a major company in just any part of the world.

On the other hand when we do invest like we did in Saudi, and Venezuela, no matter how big an investment the countries can simply say .......gee we don't like that deal any more and we are taking back our stuff and .....get out ......and don't let the door hit you on the a$$ on the way out!

Possibly we should actively encourage foreign investors in a major way and after we get their money we just kick them out and keep the money. Hey good for the goose good for the gander?

[macmaniac1]

I can't invest in this because all my extra money goes into taxes. That is right I live in ny. Our local county govt' will give tax breaks to foreign companies, bend the laws , pay for paperwork, and help with lawers fees with our tax money. Not to land owners that want to band together and invest in thier own property. It took a land owner 6-years to put renewable energy project on his land. He had to pay for all the fees and go threw all ploitical b.s. by himself. If a foriegn company came in the gov't would cater to their every whim. In most cases the paper work is done in less that a year and they are building shortly after that.

[drcampbell]

It probably has a lot more to do with being corporations than with being foreign.
But when corporate contributions get people elected, corporations will be first in line for the public dole.

[roofeditor]

Originally Posted by drcampbell

It probably has a lot more to do with being corporations than with being foreign.
But when corporate contributions get people elected, corporations will be first in line for the public dole.

With you on that!

[MackE7]

Yeah, it must be those evil corporations. BTW: how many of those evil corporations are PUBLIC ? Who owns those corporations ? Shareholders ! Even ugly Enron was owned by its shareholders and I didn't hear anyone complaining until it went poof.

I'm not arguing that maybe we don't invest enough in our country, but we can only be squeezed so much before there isn't any more discretionary money to 'invest' like you think we should be doing.

There is this country called China. Maybe you have heard of them ? They have a much lower standard of living than we do. They don't drive Superduties. They don't have 2 houses, heck they hardly have 1 house.

But the first thing these people do with their paycheck is PUT SOME OF IT IN SAVINGS ! They have been lending US money for years !

Maybe we could take a lesson or two from them. Maybe our mortgage and banking industries wouldn't be failing if we paid cash for a few more things and stopped trying to get rich by making a fast buck swapping real estate with the bank's money.

Oh, and that Buffet guy... he is actually pretty good for our country. He does a lot of smart things with money that results in things like jobs and taxes. He is pretty level headed too.

Is it me or do I sense a lot of finger pointing at rich successful people on this board ?

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by MackE7

Yeah, it must be those evil corporations. BTW: how many of those evil corporations are PUBLIC ? Who owns those corporations ? Shareholders ! Even ugly Enron was owned by its shareholders and I didn't hear anyone complaining until it went poof.



There is this country called China. Maybe you have heard of them ? They have a much lower standard of living than we do. They don't drive Superduties. They don't have 2 houses, heck they hardly have 1 house.

But the first thing these people do with their paycheck is PUT SOME OF IT IN SAVINGS ! They have been lending US money for years !

Maybe we could take a lesson or two from them. Maybe our mortgage and banking industries wouldn't be failing if we paid cash for a few more things and stopped trying to get rich by making a fast buck swapping real estate with the bank's money.

Oh, and that Buffet guy... he is actually pretty good for our country. He does a lot of smart things with money that results in things like jobs and taxes. He is pretty level headed too.

Is it me or do I sense a lot of finger pointing at rich successful people on this board ?

Spare us the jealousy pitch.

The most recent thing Buffet has done is cheer InBev's buyout of Budweiser because he had a 500 million dollar position in the company.

So profits no longer go to majority shareholders here in the states except for the short term profit that was cashed out by holders of the stock to a foreign entity.

So what exactly has Buffet done in this case to help the country?

Buffet would have gotten all my love if he say, put up 400 million of his own dollars to prevent the buyout and then helped Budweiser push sales of it's product in other markets.