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Old 11-04-2009, 07:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ABC Health Care report

If you think FOX News is fair and balanced, then check this one out. It is a real eye opener.....and it was aired on 20-20 if you didn't see it.


YouTube - ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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glad i'm not going to be around much longer to see this happen to my kids and grandkids. i'd go postal if one of my family members could not get to a hospitol because of government "systems" not allowing timely access.
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glad i'm not going to be around much longer to see this happen to my kids and grandkids. i'd go postal if one of my family members could not get to a hospitol because of government "systems" not allowing timely access.
What some people just don't seem to get, is how many are denied right now by their own insurance companies.

Just because it has never happened to you (thank goodness), doesn't mean there aren't thousands of others that it has happened to.

This is nothing but a scare tactic by the insurance companies (that have successfully exploited the ignorance/naiveté) of some............. to try and maintain their stranglehold on the health industry.

I don't know about you but.....................I ain't scared.

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I won't bother watching but ABC is akin to Fox News. Their "ABC FAMILY" channel is nothing but crap that even this former potty mouth won't let his kids watch.

Healthcare in America is pretty good but it's also excrutiatingly expensive.

Giving tax credits to private companies in order to lower the cost of the insurance does not address the underlying costs of providing that care so in essence, it's not going to solve anything unless they make it a fully public plan I.E. there is only one option and it's the public one.

At this time, we have far bigger fish to fry and much more intelligent things we could to do to save money before we start attacking the wages of doctors and nurses.

I think it's time for Obama and his cabinet to just go away.

Put Doug Campbell and Roofeditor in there and see what happens.
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glad i'm not going to be around much longer to see this happen to my kids and grandkids. i'd go postal if one of my family members could not get to a hospital because of government "systems" not allowing timely access.
We're already there. And "government systems" didn't cause it.


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... Put Doug Campbell and Roofeditor in there and see what happens.
Put Fram in charge.
What we're currently seeing is the inevitable result of ignoring Fram's warning, "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later."

We cut back on college funding; now young doctors can't afford to practice primary care. We let public hospitals be privatized; now we're short of beds and prices are rising. We allow drug advertising on television and gave away patent rights to drugs researched & developed with NIH money; now the drug corporations rake in billions which could have been allocated to patient care. We allow corporations to make campaign contributions; now members of Congress work for the insurance cartel instead of constituents.
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Good segment. If people actually paid for their own health care they wouldn't be able to be denied by an insurance company. Some people don't want to subsidize other peoples' health problems by paying into "insurance".
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Good segment. If people actually paid for their own health care they wouldn't be able to be denied by an insurance company. Some people don't want to subsidize other peoples' health problems by paying into "insurance".

Ah yes of course, that special elite group in society of people like yourself that are both immune to illness and old age.

I would like to see you try and pay for a simple broken leg let alone something like a stent or bypass surgery.
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The whining may be moot.

It just passed the House.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

The Senate is next.

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Ah yes of course, that special elite group in society of people like yourself that are both immune to illness and old age.

I would like to see you try and pay for a simple broken leg let alone something like a stent or bypass surgery.
Why are some people against taking care of themselves? Why do they think that everything should be given to them? Health care costs would go down if there was an actual free market in which there was private competition and people were paying for their own health care related goods and services with their own money rather than having an insurance company pay for it.

I haven't broken my leg, but in the last few years I've had a ruptured bicep and a severed tibialis anterior. I paid for both the surgeries and physical therepy by myself.
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Why are some people against taking care of themselves? Why do they think that everything should be given to them? Health care costs would go down if there was an actual free market in which there was private competition and people were paying for their own health care related goods and services with their own money rather than having an insurance company pay for it.

I haven't broken my leg, but in the last few years I've had a ruptured bicep and a severed tibialis anterior. I paid for both the surgeries and physical therepy by myself.
I assume that, as a man of principle, you also eschew insurance for your home and vehicles?

After all, those are only material possesions (unlike your health) and you should be able to take care of them all by yourself too.

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I assume that, as a man of principle, you also eschew insurance for your home and vehicles?

After all, those are only material possesions (unlike your health) and you should be able to take care of them all by yourself too.
Is home insurance supposed to cover all maintenance and repairs and remodels the way that people (ab)use health insurance? Does auto insurance pay for tune-ups and new tires? I have some stuff without insurace and most cars only get the minimum required by the state, but the point is that I have the freedom of choice. While some states mandate auto insurance, you do not have to buy a car, but if the federal government were to mandate health insurance, you don't have the option of avoiding it by not existing. Besides being marxist, it is unconstitutional and immoral. It's a power grab by the government, and those that do not want to take personal responsibility for their own wellbeing are all too ready to accept the lies of the media and the democrats. There is a class envy mentality, and these people think for some reason that it is not their own responsibility to care for themselves, but they want someone else to take care of them. I would be embarrassed.
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Is home insurance supposed to cover all maintenance and repairs and remodels the way that people (ab)use health insurance? Does auto insurance pay for tune-ups and new tires? I have some stuff without insurace and most cars only get the minimum required by the state, but the point is that I have the freedom of choice. While some states mandate auto insurance, you do not have to buy a car, but if the federal government were to mandate health insurance, you don't have the option of avoiding it by not existing. Besides being marxist, it is unconstitutional and immoral. It's a power grab by the government, and those that do not want to take personal responsibility for their own wellbeing are all too ready to accept the lies of the media and the democrats. There is a class envy mentality, and these people think for some reason that it is not their own responsibility to care for themselves, but they want someone else to take care of them. I would be embarrassed.
You didn't fully answer my question.

What about your house?

Not to mention that your analogy is way off.

Keeping people healthy, and the astronomical dollars that it costs if they get seriously ill, in no way equates to changing your tires or even replacing your whole damn car for that matter.

That's just silly.

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