Class action lawsuit against ford

[Blue Water Runner]

Navistar knows that the head bolts are an issue. Look at the 6.4's head bolts. They are considerably larger. The 6.4 also has a lower compression ratio than the 6.0L. The compression difference is made up by having the boost pressure raised.

[jamboo4]

Originally Posted by durantdiesel

I saw on the news last night that a dennison Tx Ambulance co is Joining a class action lawsuit against ford over the nation wide trouble with the 6.0 L diesel. Have you guys heard about this lawsuit? Maybe ford will straighten up and stop trying to get out of fixing their defective product. Flamesuit on

i hear their is a web sight on the class action but i cant seem to find it . i would jump on fast my 6.0 just had catistrofic engine failure with no warning no signs of trouble and right after the warrenty if up .

[macmaniac1]

both the 6.0 and 6.4 has left ford with quite a black eye. Now people are sueing ford for internationals problems. Ultimately ford does have some responsibility for these engines being in their trucks. How much will be determined by the judges in the case. I am supprised that the suit doesn't seem to mention international at all. Maybe these people will go after them next. I know that ford has had problems getting money back from international over warranty work. A ford service tech told me that they are supposed to get prior approval to any 6.0 warranty work. I believe that their is a reason that ford is going to make their own engine in the future. I really believe that cat. is making a bigggggg mistake in dealing with international.

[Strokin' 6.0]

Originally Posted by Bigshow

I am not sure what transpired with FORD / International on the 6.0 but from what I gather is that the Ford application runs at a higher power level than the IH applications for that engine. Did this cause excessive problems in the area of headbolts stretching? Probably. Like I said - what went on - did IH know what the power level that the FORD controls would take it to??? Things like turbo vanes sticking, injector problems, and EGR cooler failures are an IH problem. Whos problems were the other things like all the calibration woes (the consumers' I guess!!!).

What transpired, in my opinion, is that Ford wanted to beat Dodge at the "I've got the more powerful engine" boasting game, so they told IH to build them something that would have more HP and torque than the HPCR 305/555 CTD...the result? IH hastily took the VT265, and pushed it to the breaking point, producing 325/565. Dodge's answer was to bump up the CTD power rating in '04.5 to 325/610, and their 5.9 platform was stable enough to handle it.

The problem, as I see it, was that in order to pass CAFE standards IH had to add an EGR and cooler which, by the way, the EPA didn't mandate on diesel engines until model year '07.

Maybe I'm way off in my analysis, but I'm pretty sure that it happened along those lines.

If Ford ever found a way to build an engine which resembled the 5.9 CTD without breaking any patent laws, they'd have a sure-fire winner.

[jamboo4]

wow my problem started out THE SAME WAY they say with the EGR SENSOR , THEN IT WAS THE EGR COOLER , WELL THEY SAY THE COOLER WAS GOOD THEN IT WAS A BLOWEN HEAD GASKET ,NOW ITS A HOLE IN THE PISTON WHICH CHEWED UP THE PISTON SLEEVE WITH THE RESULT OF A NEW MOTOR IT ALL B.S IF YOU ASK ME ! HOW DO U GET A HOLE IN PISTON WITH OUT ANY NOISE ,NO SERVICE ENGINE SOON NOTHING ITS ALL CRAP!!!!!

Originally Posted by Strokin' 6.0

What transpired, in my opinion, is that Ford wanted to beat Dodge at the "I've got the more powerful engine" boasting game, so they told IH to build them something that would have more HP and torque than the HPCR 305/555 CTD...the result? IH hastily took the VT265, and pushed it to the breaking point, producing 325/565. Dodge's answer was to bump up the CTD power rating in '04.5 to 325/610, and their 5.9 platform was stable enough to handle it.

The problem, as I see it, was that in order to pass CAFE standards IH had to add an EGR and cooler which, by the way, the EPA didn't mandate on diesel engines until model year '07.

Maybe I'm way off in my analysis, but I'm pretty sure that it happened along those lines.

If Ford ever found a way to build an engine which resembled the 5.9 CTD without breaking any patent laws, they'd have a sure-fire winner.

[Strokin' 6.0]

I spoke to a guy named Dan at Page, Wolfberg & Wirth yesterday. I don't know if he's one of the lawyers involved or a paralegal, but when I broached the idea of expanding the scope of the lawsuit to encompass not just Ford ambulances with the 6.0, but all Ford vehicles with the 6.0, he wasn't enthusiastic. His response was that his client only has ambulances, which to me translates that we're not paying his bill so why should he bother going the extra mile?

My rationale with him was that they're probably going to win this lawsuit anyway, so why not go for the gold and make Ford admit that the 6.0 engine is defective, which would then open up the floodgates for all 6.0 owners to get satisfaction from this lawsuit, added to the fact that if they are successful, Ford is going to pay the attorneys' fees anyway, not the ambulance company.

He told me that he would speak with the other two law firms in Texas involved in this case, get their input and get back to me.

I'm not holding my breath, but maybe one call per week will get some results....that or a restraining order!

FWIW Jamboo, the original engine in my truck had a hole in the #3 piston and a #7 piston failure.

[Blue Water Runner]

Be careful what you ask for. You may get it and then you may see Ford tighten down on using aftermarket maintenance parts, performance additions, lift kits, and so on. There are a lot of vehicles that get coverage under warranty that don't deserve the coverage.

[Strokin' 6.0]

That's not a problem; my truck is bone stock. I don't believe in running aftermarket products on an engine that is under warranty, already pushing the envelope from the factory and has an unreliable (in my opinion) track record, like the 6.0.

I know that some people swear by programmers from day one delivery, and to each his/her own, but those of us who aren't running anything on our trucks should have some kind of satisfaction for the failures we are experiencing.

The Big Three tell you up front that, if you add aftermarket products to your vehicle, your warranty may be voided. Why play with fire and get burned?

[big-angry-hillbilly]

International told ford that the E and F chassis cooling system was TOO SMALL TO SUPPORT THE VT365/6.0 POWERSTROKE.

From Day #1.

The head bolts on a 6.4 are larger partially because that engine is designed to run 40+ PSI.

FORD did the powertrain calibrations, not International.

[Blue Water Runner]

Originally Posted by big-angry-hillbilly

International told ford that the E and F chassis cooling system was TOO SMALL TO SUPPORT THE VT365/6.0 POWERSTROKE.



FORD did the powertrain calibrations, not International.

I find both hard to believe. Provide a credible source. I would bet the Navistar signed off on both.

[Alexvb22]

Well heres another one to add to the list for you guys...

Last night at 11:30pm on the way home form the movies (good thing I wasnt drinkin, lol) my truck just broke down. And I mean broke down literally while driveing it down the rd down a hill. I came to a halt right in front of a Shell Station. Still had 43 Miles left in the tank.

Now I guess that tells me 2 things because in my mind a diesel can't be stopped with out 1.) Air or 2.) fuel. If it has those it should keep truckin, correct or no?

My guess is that an oil pump when out (something that controls the injectors). I had no issues with the turbo recently and it sounded great before hand. I have an sct set on street and an AFE Stage 2 intake... Thats it.

This is the second time that the truck has just died like this on me and is leaving me VERY uneasy as I do ALOT of traveling long distance where there may be 50 miles in between gas stations. (well maybe 30)

Ended up towing the POS home 30 miles with my GF's inline six JEEP! it overheated it almost non the less but it got the job done and ran like a champ. Lst time a 4 runner had to tow me...

[jamboo4]

Originally Posted by durantdiesel

I saw on the news last night that a dennison Tx Ambulance co is Joining a class action lawsuit against ford over the nation wide trouble with the 6.0 L diesel. Have you guys heard about this lawsuit? Maybe ford will straighten up and stop trying to get out of fixing their defective product. Flamesuit on

I HAVE HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH FORD THEY SAID I HAD CATISTROFIC ENGINE FAILURE COME TO FIND OUT THE NUMBER 3 PISTON AND A VALVE HAD A HOLE IN THEM THEY CANT TELL ME WHY IT HAPPENED I WAS ONLY 7000 MILES OVER WARRENTY AND THeY WOULD NOT HELP SO VERACOM FORD IN SAN MATEO CA. TOLD ME THAT FORD DOES 20% to 80% deal and i ask what that was and( veracom ford )they told me that ford would pay 80% and i would pay 20% the origianl price was 15,000 so i figured that that was a deal considering i was not going to get no deal so they (veracom ford)said they would get everything in order and they would call the next day . well they did and the whole deal changed they said ford would pay up to 80% and that my case did not qualify they would only pay 6000 so now my truck cost me 10,000 i still owe 23,000 and complete engine failure without warning does not qualify. i will reallythink hard about buying a ford again everybody in my industry uses ford and most of thm are 6.0 diesals

[Gofasterdammit]

There is a lawyer in Sacramento that advertises every morning on AM talk radio telling all 6.0 owners that have had problems to call him and he will get their truck bought back under Lemon Law. All of these lawsuits are hurting Ford's bottom line and that trickles down to me, the tech. I remember when I used to (legitimatley) get 7.5 hours to diagnose and replace a turbo on a F-series 6.0 under warranty. Now I get 4.0 hours to diagnose, tear it apart, clean it, put it back together, and don't get paid to retest. Same thing with the STC fitting. That repair used to pay 8.0 hours, no it's down to around 5.0 hours.

[Strokin' 6.0]

What's the name and number for the lawyer in Sacramento?

[Ned]

God this is all depressing

I only have 16K on our truck.

I did lose 1 turbo at around 10k.(along with a long list of parts while it was being replaced)

I have a company truck and only drive the truck on weekends.

I'm dreading the next problem!

I love the truck though...what a pisser