the clunker ripoff

[grassfarmer]

So the democrats want more money for clunkers? They tell us that their program was so widely successful that it burnt through one billion dollars in 4 days. Lets do something that the democrats wont do...some math. Assuming that every single transaction qualified for the highest dollar amount, or 4,500, more than 222,222 (one billion divided by 4,500 following this?)cars with QUALIFYING trade ins would have had to be sold in the last 4 days. That is more than 55,555 cars sold per day in the US for the 4 days that that program is active. Further assuming that not one single car was sold that was NOT participating in this program, so 55,555 cars per day represents every single car sold, that would translate to annual US car sales in excess of 20,277,757 cars. (daily sales multiplied by number of days in a year, are the libs STILL following this?) In 2006, at the height of the GWB gluttony capitalist pigfest, Americans whetted their disgusting appetite on 7,667,066 cars that year. That was the total. Foreign, domestic, not one more than that.
So, taking into account all the unrealistic assumptions I just made, that means that approximately three hundred percent more cars were sold just under this program than the total of the whole baby killing minority bashing capitalist pig year of Bush and his go go economy. Amazing, and with 20% unemployment and no credit to boot. This man is a genius. Just imagine what he can do with health care? I'm serious.
Not one person, to my knowlege, has even thought to do the math and see that what they say cannot POSSIBLY be true, unless someone is scamming the system of course. I think this is so funny.



I picked this up from a forum. Have the rest of you been doing the math? Now another billion dollars is being put into the kitty. Will it ever stop?

[singlecamcammed240]

i knew it would not last long since there are 220,000 new car dealerships across the u.s. a guy at my work did the math and its about 4 clunkers per dealer. some dealers might get stuck not getting the 4,500 becuase they took the cars in around a week before the deal went into effect and the government might not have qualified the cars or had the 3500- 4500 for each of the 30 cars they took in early

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by grassfarmer

So the democrats want more money for clunkers? They tell us that their program was so widely successful that it burnt through one billion dollars in 4 days. Lets do something that the democrats wont do...some math. Assuming that every single transaction qualified for the highest dollar amount, or 4,500, more than 222,222 (one billion divided by 4,500 following this?)cars with QUALIFYING trade ins would have had to be sold in the last 4 days. That is more than 55,555 cars sold per day in the US for the 4 days that that program is active. Further assuming that not one single car was sold that was NOT participating in this program, so 55,555 cars per day represents every single car sold, that would translate to annual US car sales in excess of 20,277,757 cars. (daily sales multiplied by number of days in a year, are the libs STILL following this?) In 2006, at the height of the GWB gluttony capitalist pigfest, Americans whetted their disgusting appetite on 7,667,066 cars that year. That was the total. Foreign, domestic, not one more than that.
So, taking into account all the unrealistic assumptions I just made, that means that approximately three hundred percent more cars were sold just under this program than the total of the whole baby killing minority bashing capitalist pig year of Bush and his go go economy. Amazing, and with 20% unemployment and no credit to boot. This man is a genius. Just imagine what he can do with health care? I'm serious.
Not one person, to my knowlege, has even thought to do the math and see that what they say cannot POSSIBLY be true, unless someone is scamming the system of course. I think this is so funny.

Your "basic" math is correct. If all of the cars qualified for the max of $4,500 for the entire $1B originally appropriated...then yes, that equates to 222,222 cars.

Where your math gets screwed up and your argument really falls apart is trying to pro-rate it on an annual basis. Try this math....

Even if another $2B is added to the program as they are saying will be done (stay with me here...that makes it $3B TOTAL), the amount of cars sold under this program will be a total of 666,666 cars. Now how do you get from this number to 20 million cars for the year? Given the depressed sales to date, and the most likely drop off after the "clunker program," I'll bet the total cars sold in the US this year will be far below the average 16 million cars a year for the last five years.

I picked this up from a forum.

It might be time to stop going to that forum if you want accurate info.

[Pappy19]

Instead of the 3500 or 4500 for clunkers deal, the government should just allow $1,000 as an additional voucher for ANY new vehicle, private or for business purposes, with no limit on how many vouchers could be used. Imagine how many more new vehicles could be sold. What about the "clunkers" that are all destined to be crushed?? Seems to me that there are alot of poorer folks that could use those clunkers. Maybe we could give some of them to illegal aliens to drive back to Mexico.

[PowerstrokeConverters]

Maybe we could give some of them to illegal aliens to drive back to Mexico

They are illegal but not stupid, not even them want to go to a drug lord infested country.

What amazes me is that instead of helping us save and have food and shelter, the Government wants us to spend more!!

... even if you have a old "clunker" but it drives you to work (if you still have one ...), there is no reason to go and get yourself into more debt!!
But coming from a government that keeps going broke, we shouldn't be surprised that they are not setting an example.

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by Pappy19

Instead of the 3500 or 4500 for clunkers deal, the government should just allow $1,000 as an additional voucher for ANY new vehicle, private or for business purposes, with no limit on how many vouchers could be used. Imagine how many more new vehicles could be sold.

I too think a general voucher system could have its benefits and wouldn't be against it.

What about the "clunkers" that are all destined to be crushed?? Seems to me that there are alot of poorer folks that could use those clunkers.

Keep in mind that another purpose of the program (right or wrong and regardless of where you stand on the global warming issue) was to get the older, lower mileage, and more likely to produce higher emission cars, off of the road.

[444-4D]

I'm opposed to the program but I don't understand the the math on it either. It appears that congress really isn't for the program other than it's value as a talking point. If I thought it was something that should be done, I would want enough money for at least a couple hundred vehicles per dealer.

[johnm]

complete list of "clunkers" elegible for kickback
Cash for Clunkers Eligible Trade-In Vehicle List - Edmunds.com

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by grassfarmer

So the democrats want more money for clunkers? They tell us that their program was so widely successful that it burnt through one billion dollars in 4 days. Lets do something that the democrats wont do...some math. Assuming that every single transaction qualified for the highest dollar amount, or 4,500, more than 222,222 (one billion divided by 4,500 following this?)cars with QUALIFYING trade ins would have had to be sold in the last 4 days. That is more than 55,555 cars sold per day in the US for the 4 days that that program is active. Further assuming that not one single car was sold that was NOT participating in this program, so 55,555 cars per day represents every single car sold, that would translate to annual US car sales in excess of 20,277,757 cars. (daily sales multiplied by number of days in a year, are the libs STILL following this?) In 2006, at the height of the GWB gluttony capitalist pigfest, Americans whetted their disgusting appetite on 7,667,066 cars that year. That was the total. Foreign, domestic, not one more than that.
So, taking into account all the unrealistic assumptions I just made, that means that approximately three hundred percent more cars were sold just under this program than the total of the whole baby killing minority bashing capitalist pig year of Bush and his go go economy. Amazing, and with 20% unemployment and no credit to boot. This man is a genius. Just imagine what he can do with health care? I'm serious.
Not one person, to my knowlege, has even thought to do the math and see that what they say cannot POSSIBLY be true, unless someone is scamming the system of course. I think this is so funny.



I picked this up from a forum. Have the rest of you been doing the math? Now another billion dollars is being put into the kitty. Will it ever stop?

Democrats?

Taking gas guzzlers off the road, added Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, a co-sponsor, "would reduce our dependence on foreign oil, decrease greenhouse gas emissions and stimulate the economy."

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by singlecamcammed240

i knew it would not last long since there are 220,000 new car dealerships across the u.s. a guy at my work did the math and its about 4 clunkers per dealer. some dealers might get stuck not getting the 4,500 becuase they took the cars in around a week before the deal went into effect and the government might not have qualified the cars or had the 3500- 4500 for each of the 30 cars they took in early

My work has 80 of those cars so far.

We seize the engines with silica after the paperwork goes through.

[kc2kgt]

Originally Posted by checkthisout

My work has 80 of those cars so far.

We seize the engines with silica after the paperwork goes through.

I've heard from others that they were "blowing up" the motors.

I just don't understand that....why wouldn't these vehicles got to a salvage yard to have their parts harvested??

[grassfarmer]

I feel the same way about this clunker program as I do about the home loan bailout. Why should my taxes go to make a down payment for a new car for somebody? I have a 91 pickup with 200,000 miles on it. I would NEVER consider asking you or anyone else to use your tax dollars to make a down payment on a new truck. That is my responsibility and mine alone!
Just like the ripoffs on the housing deal. Shove a person into a home that they could not afford or wanted to "flip" and then ask me to bail them out when the housing market crashed. That is BS and so is this clunker ripoff!!
ps: I didn't get this off a forum!

[tbpower]

The clunker program is a "stimulus". Same as the housing. If it puts Americans back to work do you agree? I personally don't agree with the current policies of the uncontrollable spending and new health care entitlement programs. Last I heard we had 50 trillion of entitlement programs that were unfunded. How is are our country going to pay for these and how are we passing it on to the next generation?

[hottub1]

The main reason for the recession is that people were so far in debt. So, let's incentivise them to take on more debt by destroying perfectly good cars, which are probably already paid for, and finance new ones. And that's excatly what the government wants, the less money you have the less liberty and choices you also have. These perfectally good cars were the ones that lower income families or people just getting started in the work force could afford. Now they will be scarcer and the prices for these cars will increase. Finally why would you just crush them? What a waste. OK, perhaps you would want to immobilize them but but arent the rest of the parts worth something? I thopught all of the tree huggers insisted on recycling everything. The only place these cars are going to be recycled to is China to help pay our debt. And finally, when you go into the government site to find if you car is on the clunker list you have just unknowingly given the government total and unending access to your computer, forever. You see, not only does the government get you into additional debt, tell you what to drive, how to spend what little money you have, it will also be able to monitor your every keystroke forever. Big Brother IS watching, Carl Marx is alive and well.

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by hottub1

Carl Marx is alive and well.

And so is the "Conspiracy about everything" club.