Dialysis for Immigrants Drive Hospital Into Debt

[bilbo]

I saw this on another forum...



Dialysis for 80 immigrants drives Nev. hospital deep into debt | Immigration | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle


LAS VEGAS — A Las Vegas hospital providing emergency dialysis services to 80 illegal immigrants says that accounts for much of its operating deficit.
The University Medical Center says the treatment will cost it about $24 million this fiscal year, aggravating a budget deficit that is expected to approach $70 million.
UMC's chief operating officer, Brian Brannman, said the hospital is required by federal law to treat anyone who shows up in an emergency but receives no reimbursement from federal, state or local governments for doing it.
"Our people are really torn," Brannman told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. "We want to take care of people who are ill. We're proud that we can save lives. But our employees are also worried about the survival of UMC. They know that the appetite of taxpayers for helping undocumented immigrants is limited."
The cost of providing dialysis to illegal immigrants doubled last year, with twice as many seeking the treatment two or three times a week, officials said.
One patient said she had nowhere else to turn.
"I am so thankful to this hospital for doing this for someone who is not a citizen," Marta Berrera told the newspaper through an interpreter. "Without this help, I would die and my four children would be without a mother."
UMC professionals say taxpayer-supported hospitals are strained to the breaking point and need to be part of the discussion on how to reform the nation's health care system. If this problem isn't solved, they say, others can expect to wait longer or pay more for their own emergency services.
"There's no question that these illegals who come for dialysis treatment at emergency rooms back everything up," said Dr. Dale Carrison, UMC's head of emergency services. "And there's also no question that they need help. But this isn't how emergency rooms were meant to be used."

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by bilbo

I saw this on another forum...



Dialysis for 80 immigrants drives Nev. hospital deep into debt | Immigration | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle


LAS VEGAS — A Las Vegas hospital providing emergency dialysis services to 80 illegal immigrants says that accounts for much of its operating deficit.
The University Medical Center says the treatment will cost it about $24 million this fiscal year, aggravating a budget deficit that is expected to approach $70 million.
UMC's chief operating officer, Brian Brannman, said the hospital is required by federal law to treat anyone who shows up in an emergency but receives no reimbursement from federal, state or local governments for doing it.
"Our people are really torn," Brannman told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. "We want to take care of people who are ill. We're proud that we can save lives. But our employees are also worried about the survival of UMC. They know that the appetite of taxpayers for helping undocumented immigrants is limited."
The cost of providing dialysis to illegal immigrants doubled last year, with twice as many seeking the treatment two or three times a week, officials said.
One patient said she had nowhere else to turn.
"I am so thankful to this hospital for doing this for someone who is not a citizen," Marta Berrera told the newspaper through an interpreter. "Without this help, I would die and my four children would be without a mother."
UMC professionals say taxpayer-supported hospitals are strained to the breaking point and need to be part of the discussion on how to reform the nation's health care system. If this problem isn't solved, they say, others can expect to wait longer or pay more for their own emergency services.
"There's no question that these illegals who come for dialysis treatment at emergency rooms back everything up," said Dr. Dale Carrison, UMC's head of emergency services. "And there's also no question that they need help. But this isn't how emergency rooms were meant to be used."

This problem is easily solved by I.N.S.

[bilbo]

are a part of Obamanation.
It truly is an Abomination.

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by bilbo

are a part of Obamanation.
It truly is an Abomination.

The vast majority did not get here in the last 7 months.

Why won't you acknowledge that most of it happened on Bush's watch?

[hottub1]

All this is about is shifting money and services from the elderly who are almost at the end of voting, to younger illegals who will have the oppertunity to vote many times over. Just remember you will all eventually be elderly. Do you really want the government to decide who gets medication or long long they will allow you to live and/or in how much discomfort, if that be the case.

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by hottub1

All this is about is shifting money and services from the elderly who are almost at the end of voting, to younger illegals who will have the oppertunity to vote many times over. Just remember you will all eventually be elderly. Do you really want the government to decide who gets medication or long long they will allow you to live and/or in how much discomfort, if that be the case.

I have heard lots of conspiracy theories, but I don't think this one is accurate.

[julyer]

Originally Posted by hottub1

All this is about is shifting money and services from the elderly who are almost at the end of voting, to younger illegals who will have the oppertunity to vote many times over. Just remember you will all eventually be elderly. Do you really want the government to decide who gets medication or long long they will allow you to live and/or in how much discomfort, if that be the case.

WoW! i learn something new here everyday...i didn't know that illegals' had a right to vote.

[94_turbo]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

The vast majority did not get here in the last 7 months.

Why won't you acknowledge that most of it happened on Bush's watch?

wah,wah,wah---Bush is no longer in office, but the messicans didnt vote for Bush either. those types like democrat entitlements

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by 94_turbo

wah,wah,wah---Bush is no longer in office, but the messicans didnt vote for Bush either. those types like democrat entitlements

If you wanted to get rid of me, you would only have to do one of any of the following:


1. Post something that adds intelligence to the conversation.
2. Post something that is not a personal attack.
3. Post something that doesn't absolve Bush of everything.
4. Post something that doesn't blame Obama for everything.
5. Post something that isn't rooted in blind partisan politics.


........ and I would probably fall over dead with a heart attack.

[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

If you wanted to get rid of me, you would only have to do one of any of the following:


1. Post something that adds intelligence to the conversation.
2. Post something that is not a personal attack.
3. Post something that doesn't absolve Bush of everything.
4. Post something that doesn't blame Obama for everything.
5. Post something that isn't rooted in blind partisan politics.


........ and I would probably fall over dead with a heart attack.

Right.


Immigration isn't a problem in itself. I don't think any human life has its origin in the Americas, so all humans immigrated here from another place.

Where the issue lies is in personal responsibility and the government's regulation and mandating of particular points that are immoral in that they force individuals and corporations by force to support individuals that will not pay for a service.

The immigration issue really is an entitlement issue.

I would probably bet that most of us are related to family members that were immigrants to the United States. Certainly, the criteria for being allowed in is very different now. I think it was more lax. Check people for diseases, name. Stowaways on ships were allowed in. Did everyone's immigrating family become US citizens immediately? I've read lots of stores where that took years if not decades for that to happen. Stories from prior to 1900.

The important issue is that immigrants and citizens had self ownership. If they wanted something, be it a wagon, property, food, and the like, they actually had to exchange value for value. Work to make money, gold, and so on to exchange for food, pants, a hat, a horse, a gun, a doctors service.

Currently, we have entitlements. Lots of them. That's not Bush's fault, other than not being able to eliminate them. Same for Obama. If he doesn't eliminate them, he's at fault. If they grow, he's at fault too. With the proximity of some countries to ours, some cross over to arrive here statutorily illegal. Doesn't make them bad or anything. Does make them a risk with disease, possible criminals, and other issues I'm sure we can all come up with that does make it completely reasonable and moral to have border control.

If the government is giving away candy from your candy store to individuals that have no opportunity to get the candy at their store... It's dumb.

Individual citizens and companies have no moral obligation by government mandated to provide for another. If they wish to provide that kind of charity on their own, that is their choice. Stop forced government entitlements now. Just the layered stupidity and corruption in the government waste the hard work of individuals.

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by Super_Dave

The immigration issue really is an entitlement issue.

Primarily an 'entitlement' for large corporations and business in general to pay low wages and maximize profits.

BTW - How come you now want the government to step in and regulate immigration? Why not just let the corporations regulate themselves?

You can't have it both ways.

[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

Primarily an 'entitlement' for large corporations and business in general to pay low wages and maximize profits.

BTW - How come you now want the government to step in and regulate immigration? Why not just let the corporations regulate themselves?

You can't have it both ways.

How did you jump to low wages and maximize profits? You're out of line there. Government mandates force action for less than value for value opportunities for others that are making moral, free choices. This is what increases costs for those individuals, private payers(generally poor or younger?) and for those that choose to have insurance.

As for government regulation of immigration, only as it protects the individuals that the government is mandated to protect. That is its job. There is no reason to allow an escaped murderer access. That is just, and government is obligated to provide that to you.

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by Super_Dave

How did you jump to low wages and maximize profits? You're out of line there.

Facts are facts.

Are you willing/able to prove that the ability of business' to hire illegal immigrants at much lower wages and no benefits..................... has not benefited their bottom line?

Good luck on that one.


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[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

Facts are facts.

Are you willing/able to prove that the ability of business' to hire illegal immigrants at much lower wages and no benefits..................... has not benefited their bottom line?

Good luck on that one.

According to your progressive government control, if it is law, then they would be deterred. All those laws and regulations reduced accidents and all. Or are you disagreeing with yourself?

Additionally, a substantial number of illegal immigrants are paid market wages as they are supplying fact Social Security information. Businesses are only looking to fill spaces with people that will work. Farm wages are different. Not to mention its a subsidized market. Again, the government has an obligation to seek out corruption and the breaking of its progressive laws, does it not? Prosecute the those that break the law. So, you'll have to provide the facts where all businesses are hiring illegal aliens below market value. Sure, it happens, but it's not significant.


Las Vegas Hospitals are not hiring illegal aliens to perform dialysis services on other illegal aliens. Although that might help with the costs. Value for value?

[AK_Gandy]

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't answer my question.