End of life discussions

[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by 94_turbo

your right--cutting costs is repub--and spend like h is the democraps---my money and yours, starting with the great lbj!!!!

Well, let's take it further back: FDR. Further yet: Wilson. How about Jackson when representation became, "To the victor go the spoils."

Constitutional government was supposed to protect the individual, not to "do the will of the voters". This has went from a republic to a democracy, and a democracy is a neighbor of socialism.

As everything is now "for the people", and that is counter to protecting the individual.

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by Super_Dave

I am.

Why should your kids be enslaved to pay for my wife's parents health care?

What would be your proposal for covering them then?

I assume you feel the same way about your own parents?

[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

I assume you feel the same way about your own parents?

Yes. And me too. What right to I have to impose my care upon another individual by force?

[Super_Dave]

The Welfare State Versus Values and the Mind

Statist, statist, statist. Never does what it claims to cure, but that is the aim of the Cloward-Pliven Strategy. Medicare/Medicaid is no different.

[444-4D]

YouTube - Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine

A speach given 48 years ago.

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by 444-4D

YouTube - Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine

A speach given 48 years ago.

Isn't this the same guy that said..."Government IS the problem" and ran on a platform of a balanced budget and government completely backing away from 'Free Enterprise?'

Well, I guess he matured and changed his tune in his later years.

Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"There was a massive increase in Cold War related defense spending that caused large budget deficits, the U.S. trade deficit expansion, and contributed to the Savings and Loan crisis, In order to cover new federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $700 billion to $3 trillion, and the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation. Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency.


"Donald Regan, the President's former Secretary of the Treasury, and later Chief of Staff, criticized Reagan for his lack of attention to economics: "In the four years that I served as Secretary of the Treasury, I never saw President Reagan alone and never discussed economic philosophy or fiscal and monetary policy with him one-on-one....The President never told me what he believed or what he wanted to accomplish in the field of economics."




And who do you think paid for his medical care for the years, until his death, when he suffered from Alzheimer's?

American citizen's..........................that's who.

Wouldn't THAT also be classified as "Socialized Medicine?"


Obama is not "The Messiah" and Regan was not a "God."
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[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

Isn't this the same guy that said..."Government IS the problem" and ran on a platform of a balanced budget and government completely backing away from 'Free Enterprise?'

Well, I guess he matured and changed his tune in his later years.


And who do you think paid for his medical care for the years, until his death, when he suffered from Alzheimer's?

American citizen's..........................that's who.

Wouldn't THAT also be classified as "Socialized Medicine?"
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Yeah, he was incapable of saying anything as a person with Alzheimer's.

The Cold War was won, and income taxes dropped massively.

Still, he wasn't a dictator or a ruler, so, no, he couldn't accomplish everything he wished. There are also other branches of government. As you should have quoted... Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency.


In the last year of the Carter Administration (1980) the US inflation rate climbed to a peak of 14.8%, the top individual tax payer rate was 78%, unemployment was 7.4%, federal outlay was 17% higher than the economy's growth rate, and the federal government grew while enacting loads of new spending programs. During this period, the US economy was the worst it had been since the Great Depression of the 1930s.[citation needed] The nation was in quite a deep hole of economic collapse when the new president Ronald Reagan took office in January 1981.[citation needed] Reagan had to devise a constructive, sound tax and monetary policy to pull the US out of its economic low point.[citation needed]
Stephen Moore of the Cato Institute stated that "no act in the last quarter century had a more profound impact on the US economy of the eighties and nineties than the Reagan tax cut of 1981." He claims that Reagan's tax cuts, combined with an emphasis on federal monetary policy, deregulation, and expansion of free trade created a sustained economic expansion creating America's greatest sustained wave of prosperity ever. The American economy grew by more than a third in size, producing a $15 trillion increase in American wealth. Every income group, from the richest, middle class and poorest in this country, grew its income (1981-1989). Consumer and investor confidence soared. Cutting federal income taxes, cutting the US government spending budget, cutting useless programs, scaling down the government work force, maintaining low interest rates, and keeping a watchful inflation hedge on the monetary supply was Ronald Reagan's formula for a successful economic turnaround. The economic principle that business expansion, jobs and wealth follow low tax rates is widely accepted. The last principle Ronald Reagan incorporated was the realization that immigrant workers are a key and vital component of the US economy.

[Super_Dave]

Either way, it's immoral for the force of government to be used against a minority to pay for something for another group. It does not follow with our Constitutional republic.

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by Super_Dave

The last principle Ronald Reagan incorporated was the realization that immigrant workers are a key and vital component of the US economy.

I didn't quote this either (last sentence of your post). So do you agree with him on this too? I thought you were against illegal immigrant workers?


You are conveniently forgetting that it was only the...

[i]" income tax rates of the top personal tax bracket dropped from 70% to 28% in 7 years"

And this..........

"while social security and medicare taxes increased

If he was so against socializing anything, how did this happen.

" The economic principle that business expansion, jobs and wealth follow low tax rates is widely accepted."

And this philosophy, known as "Reaganomics"........................... is also widely denounced.


Stalemate.


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[444-4D]

AK Gandy

I'd be interested to know why you think you should be supported by your neighbors instead of supporting yourself. When you need a burger do you go next door and ask for a couple bucks?

[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

I didn't quote this either (last sentence of your post). So do you agree with him on this too?

Yes.

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

And this philosophy, known as "Reaganomics"........................... is also widely denounced.


Stalemate.

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Denounced has nothing to do with truth, value, or Constitutionality.

Currently, our individual income tax rates are "moderated", but corporate rates are the highest with the addition of the state rates too. Jobs have followed.

Continue denouncing at your own leisure.

[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by 444-4D

AK Gandy

I'd be interested to know why you think you should be supported by your neighbors instead of supporting yourself. When you need a burger do you go next door and ask for a couple bucks?

LOL! Oh, no, AK follows that it's in his "common collective good" or you will be "denounced".

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by 444-4D

AK Gandy

I'd be interested to know why you think you should be supported by your neighbors instead of supporting yourself.

I Do support myself. I also have better insurance coverage than probably 95% of the people in the USA.

I just feel fortunate enough that I am an American, that I think I owe it to all other American's (even if it takes a few bucks out of my own pocket) to provide them with affordable health insurance.

I've never advocated that we give 'handouts' to people that are capable of helping themselves.

[444-4D]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

I just feel fortunate enough that I am an American, that I think I owe it to all other American's (even if it takes a few bucks out of my own pocket) to provide them with affordable health insurance.

That's the way it should be. You can help anyone you want. But that isn't what you support. You want to force others to do the same.

[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

I just feel fortunate enough that I am an American, that I think I owe it to all other American's (even if it takes a few bucks out of my own pocket) to provide them with affordable health insurance.

I've never advocated that we give 'handouts' to people that are capable of helping themselves.

So, what do you advocate?

Are you going to make the rules for government taking from individuals? Or are you just incapable of making a voluntary decision on your own?