farewell to the dollar?

[Chinookman]

Wow my expressing the current situation is a 'rant" but your lack of understanding Marxist/Progressive ideology is ok. Hmmmm wonderful.... Conservatives ruined this country? How? You don't think Bush was a conservative do you pluh-eeze..... Both parties are left leaning wealth redistribution lovers of you tax dollars. The good cop bad cop has worked for over 50 years and your replies exemplify the typical shallow arguments.

which has digressed from the question about the falling/failing/ailing dollar. No one posted anything to confirmed that the dollar is not tied to gold. Did you check it out?

Do a short study on the progressive movement or simply go to CPUSA, the Marxists in our congress no longer hide but are in plain sight because the public as you have revealed have no clue what they stand for. Their double talk with kind sounding words are the opposite of what they stand for. The Progressive Caucus in Congress is one example.

we have strayed so far from the Constitution that any reasonable discourse is quickly dismissed as one party versus the other.

But please ignore...this is for the benefit of others anyway.

[Chinookman]

Originally Posted by checkthisout

There is no reason to back money with gold unless you think people that mine for gold or people who happen to find some on their property are more valuable to society than everyone else and should thus be richer. Not true, this is a basic flaw in understanding the term money and it's application. Gold is not bought by the population for buying groceries. Read about how those that escaped the Wiemar Republic used precious Metals to rebuild their lives after the war.

Currency stability is provided through sound banking regulation and currency value is provided by what we do as a country. This is very flawed, we presently used what is called fractional reserve banking. The banks only need to have 10% cash reserves on hand. Our congress allowed the "Too big to fail" banks to continue the huge 'derivative' plays with the SEC looking the other way.With no gold standard to back out money there is no stability as we had the first 150 years or so. Once off the gold standard we the nation were pillaged and plundered under the hidden tax of inflation through monetary policy and monetization of our debt.


A generation of people about to retire has sold off our ability to produce turning us into a country of consumers with debt and no savings, they are dismantling our educational system making our country more stupid and they have raised a generation of people who think that sitting behind a computer and typing or running a cash register at a store that sells chinese junk is useful work. You are dead on but narrow the retirees please...lol..it was the co-operation of our Congress and the captains of industry that "globalized" our country and created legislative inducements for exporting our industry. Examples: we have our Reactor head poured and machined in Japan, Our replacement turbine in Germany and our steam generators in Spain. the frustration of us being a 'consumer' nation will keep us in debt because we produce so little; unless we wake up and vote out ALL the incumbents into the unemployment line!

Our ability to produce, the intelligence of our population and our ability to move about efficiently are the things that give us our wealth and give our currency value, not backing it by gold and going "see, we have nothing but at least our currency supply is limited by the amount of precious metal we can mine".

Yep we be in deep doo-doo........

[checkthisout]

Ok, we agree on some points but Libertarianism is not the answer.


Backing our currency with gold is not the answer. Bretton Woods maintained a fixed exchanged rate which then also FIXED the value of gold. This system WORKED but make sure you read that twice before responding.

Having the "GOLD" there makes no difference.


The key is sound, strong and extremely conservative regulation placed upon banking. Credit should be hard to get and should be used for investments, it should never or least be extremely sparingly used for consumptive purposes.

Look at what Credit has done to the price of cars and houses over the years. People with desk jobs and low levels of education flush money down the toilet going out on credit purchasing cars with leather interiors, 20 inch rims, fancy dashboards etc. Money gets flushed down the toilet in housing on stupid crap like Granite Countertops, Hardwood floors, Stainless Steel faucets.

How much human capital, man hours and natural resources has America wasted on stupid junk like that?

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by Chinookman

Wow my expressing the current situation is a 'rant" but your lack of understanding Marxist/Progressive ideology is ok.

I don’t have a “lack” of understanding about this at all. Especially about how you are so quick to label anyone who has a different view than yourself………as a Communist or Socialist. Not to say that Marx didn’t have a good handle on some of the problems of capitalism, because he actually did.

The fact that we have seen for our ourselves, the struggle between the social classes (the have’s & have-not’s), racism and the exploitation of the working class by the privileged (Big Bidness)….…should have been your first clue that Marx actually had something of value to say.

The good cop bad cop has worked for over 50 years and your replies exemplify the typical shallow arguments.

“Shallow” only to you and your ilk.

You will have to excuse me if I don’t fall down in deference to your opinion……….as that is all it is…..…an opinion.

. No one posted anything to confirmed that the dollar is not tied to gold. Did you check it out?

Say what?

I don’t recall anyone advocating that the dollar IS backed by gold.

Do a short study on the progressive movement or simply go to CPUSA, the Marxists in our congress no longer hide but are in plain sight because the public as you have revealed have no clue what they stand for.

Don’t know what I stand for?

C’mon, just because I don’t froth at the mouth, spew vitriol & hate…..certainly doesn’t mean I don’t stand for something.

BTW – That “something” is called moderation, respect/kindness to other people, care of our environment and empathy for those less fortunate.

Sorry if those “stances” are foreign to you.

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[LMJD]

That “something” is called moderation, respect/kindness to other people,

There's a real knee-slapper, I've lost count of all the times I've read Bush and idiot in the same sentence.

[444-4D]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

That “something” is called moderation, respect/kindness to other people, care of our environment and empathy for those less fortunate.

Is that the same thing as compassonate conservatismn?

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by LMJD

There's a real knee-slapper, I've lost count of all the times I've read Bush and idiot in the same sentence.

There's a difference between respect/kindness and the need to state the obvious.

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[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by 444-4D

Is that the same thing as compassonate conservatismn?

Actually, it's pretty close.

The problem is, we haven't seen that from the right...............in a very long time.

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[LMJD]

There's a difference between respect/kindness and the need to state the obvious.

Thank you, point proven.

[Chinookman]

Here is a definition of a progressive:
And this is before the more radical elements of the Obama agenda are to be forced on the American people. Both the cap and trade and health care legislation currently moving through Congress will transfer unprecedented power from the private sector to unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats in Washington. Search the texts of each bill for the phrase “shall” or “may establish.” Every time these phrases appear in these bills, the left in Congress is empowering unelected Obama Czars at the expense of your liberties. And this is not by accident. The empowerment of unelected bureaucrats is at the very core of Obama’s progressive agenda. Hillsdale College Associate Professor of Political Science Ronald Pestritto explains:


It is the Progressives’ desire to free bureaucratic agencies from the confines of politics and the law that allows us to trace the origins of the administrative state to their political thought. The idea of separating politics and administration–of grounding a significant portion of government not on the basis of popular consent but on expertise–was a fundamental aim of American Progressivism and explains the Progressives’ fierce assault on the Founders’ separation-of-powers constitutionalism.


The Heritage Foundation’s Center for American Studies Director Matthew Spalding details the rise of the progressive movement and their assault on the founding principles of our nation in his new book, We Still Hold These Truths: Rediscovering Our Principles, Reclaiming Our Future. The book is built around 10 foundational principles that created a free, prosperous and just nation unlike any other: Liberty, Equality, Natural Rights, Consent of the Governed, Religious Freedom, Private Property, The Rule of Law, Constitutionalism, Self-Government, and Independence.

The progressive movement represents a threat to these founding principles. For the left, “progress” means fundamentally transforming America with a new form of government that will engineer a “better” society by assuring equal outcomes. It would redistribute wealth through a distant, patronizing welfare state that regulates more and more of the economy, politics and society. President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society were grand steps toward achieving the progressive platform.

We Still Hold These Truths offers a different direction. Spalding makes the case that we don’t need to remake America, or discover new and untested principles. We need a great renewal of the true roots of American greatness–and a radical reapplication of America’s core principles to the great questions of our day.

From the Heritage Foundation should you need a resource.
The Foundry
Amazon.com: We Still Hold These Truths: Rediscovering Our Principles, Reclaiming Our Future (9781935191674): Matthew Spalding: Books
Amazon.com: The 5000 Year Leap: A Miracle That Changed the World (9780880801485): W. Cleon Skousen: Books

Karl Marx and Joseph Engle had nothing going on but a disillusion to what is equal and what is liberty. You make the typical class-warfare issue of the left. In this country you are free...to succeed or fail at your own risk. The world always has had the wealthy and the poor. The typical Utopia of the left has never and will never work. Wealth redistribution did not work in Russia, Cuba, China or any other Communistic rule of government.

The progressives as stated earlier have incrementally changed and morphed our political system into where you and others still think the GOP is a conservative group. Wrong.....BUT conservatives are now starting to wake up and give the liberals in the GOP a kick in the pants.

You and many will never read the 5000 year leap...it would educate you into how and why this country is so great. It took this nation over 180 years to analyze the corruption of the European governments as they structured the Constitution that you seem to dislike.

Like the immature community organizer you keep bringing up Bush another one that added to our financial ruin and global nation building. HE's gone and thank God he is now we have your ACORN man.

Gold has kept us in financial prosperity for hundreds of years. You lack of understanding our history reveals you have understanding of Why Jefferson was against a Federal Banking system it was because he has seen the impact of financial slavery in Europe. He was against Hamilton because of it. Once we got off the Gold we went into fiat money. Paper printed out of thin air backed by nothing.

Your arguments reveal to the public your lack of historical understanding and merely like to contend under the pretense of different opinion.
Yes yours is different and I write for the benefit of others that have no clue since our public schools indoctrinate more than educate.

I would submit that Capitalism is not perfect ( and never will be hence the Leftist Utopian conundrum of equality failure in all Marxists regimes) but its very nature as originally espoused by Adam Smith and the Laws of God as expounded by John Locke and Honorable Blackstone has built this nation to be the most prosperous nation in the annals of written history. Yet you and your ilk like the Acorn nut want to "transform" this nation to be more like what.....Cuba........ The inherent nature of man to be free and live free will never allow the American spirit to be subjugated to continual encroaching of personal liberty....

This is for the public to read and to have their thinking challenged. For you and others that just like to argue when the argument for the left is obviously wrong for this nation. I hope you will live to see this nation recover from the corruption of both parties.

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by Chinookman

For you and others that just like to argue when the argument for the left is obviously wrong for this nation.

This statement pretty much sums up, and exemplifies, why a response would be a waste of typing.

You state that.... "Your arguments reveal to the public your lack of historical understanding and merely like to contend under the pretense of different opinion."

Don't you find it strange that you (and many at the time) proclaimed the end of America when FDR...and then LBJ....took the stance that American's........ should be helping American's?

Yet, in spite of a constant cry of doom, we have flourished to become the greatest nation this planet has ever seen.

So go ahead with your conspiracy and 'end of our nation' theories. It will serve the rest of the nation well that you and the Limbaugh's/Beck's/Hannity's not only stir up those on the fringe right but, will help the rest of us identify them.

The more the left and right go to their respective extreme's, the more chance cooler and calmer heads will prevail.

And for that.................I thank you.

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[Chinookman]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

This statement pretty much sums up, and exemplifies, why a response would be a waste of typing.


Don't you find it strange that you (and many at the time) proclaimed the end of America when FDR...and then LBJ....took the stance that American's........ should be helping American's?

The Progressive's war on poverty has been a total failure which has enabled more to join the entitlement crowd and has removed the incentive of personal accomplishments. Amazing how you reference two of the largest progressives.

Our economy has held up in spite of giving away our tax dollars to those that don't deserve it nor have earned it.

Which is where the President and his pastor step into the picture though they walk not alone but also many before them under false pretense....of piousness....
Is there middle ground yes to some extent there is but not in its present shape.

The more the progressives enlighten our educational system and the Keynesian economic failures take us into economic ruin the more they insist we need more.

Then you have nothing left to utter but a short diatribe on conspiracy....which means a cloaked or hidden agenda.

In reality it is open in plain sight.

Bill Klinton's mentor and professor as the recording secretary for the CFR wrote this book: Amazon.com: Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time (9780945001102): Carroll Quigley: Books

Getting to about page 800 ( oh yeah 1200+ pages) or so he states that the solution to global wars and poverty is a system of global governance...gee just like the upcoming Copenhagen climate bru-ha amazing....nope no conspiracy here folks it is out in the open. Or you can read The Creature from Jeykell Amazon.com: creature from jekyll island: Books

but it seems reading is not to your taste....fair enough...

but I will openly proclaim that I am a conservative in principle and practice.... and will condemn those that fail to live up to those principles when they are in office.

Will you condemn or condone the present administration and its Marxists administration of Czars ...as they openly proclaim to be followers of Mao, or align with Communistic ideology. So far no repudiation from your part.

So if you support them then at least have the guts to say you support Communism in this nation...... and don't hide behind empathy, compassion or other progressive buzz words for the present condition of government take over of our economy........


Our dollar is not the only thing failing as once spoken by someone much wiser then I.....


Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the governmentof any other.
John Adams

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by Chinookman

Karl Marx and Joseph Engle had nothing going on but a disillusion to what is equal and what is liberty. You make the typical class-warfare issue of the left. In this country you are free...to succeed or fail at your own risk. The world always has had the wealthy and the poor. The typical Utopia of the left has never and will never work. Wealth redistribution did not work in Russia, Cuba, China or any other Communistic rule of government. .

It's not a black or white issue, it's about balance. One or the other is not totally right. The idea is prevent private the rise of abusive, private autocratic powers who do nothing for the people as they did in England vs Ensuring that a system of reward stays in place for those who do good.

Education and Improvements in production create greater wealth for EVERYBODY. You can call it "wealth redistribution" if you like, I'll call it a system fair taxation.

It only becomes wealth redistribution if the money gets used for consumption purposes in the form of handouts rather than investments in education and hardware.

Originally Posted by Chinookman

Gold has kept us in financial prosperity for hundreds of years. You lack of understanding our history reveals you have understanding of Why Jefferson was against a Federal Banking system it was because he has seen the impact of financial slavery in Europe. He was against Hamilton because of it. Once we got off the Gold we went into fiat money. Paper printed out of thin air backed by nothing..

Tell that to Lincoln.

Originally Posted by Chinookman

Yes yours is different and I write for the benefit of others that have no clue since our public schools indoctrinate more than educate..

Mathematics and Science are not forms of indoctrination unless it's the teaching of creationism at a Private school.

Originally Posted by Chinookman

I would submit that Capitalism is not perfect
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I agree but regulated capitalism I.E. capitalism with the abuses controlled is pretty darn perfect!

[AK_Gandy]

Originally Posted by Chinookman

Will you condemn or condone the present administration and its Marxists administration of Czars ...as they openly proclaim to be followers of Mao, or align with Communistic ideology. So far no repudiation from your part.

I don't support Communistic ideology and I certainly don't agree with your assertion that "as they openly proclaim to be followers of Mao, or align with Communistic ideology." There was one 'Czar' that had a past of trying to look into other teachings. For you to take that and run to the point of claiming that this administration is trying to bring Communism to this country, is the epitome of a "conspiracy theory."

So if you support them then at least have the guts to say you support Communism in this nation...... and don't hide behind empathy, compassion or other progressive buzz words for the present condition of government take over of our economy........

Trying to imply that supporting our President is akin to supporting Communism, is exactly the type of technique we have come to expect from the 'Rabid-Right.'

Next you'll be saying that only Christians should be allowed to be American citizens.

Sorry to disappoint you but, this country will survive in spite of your type.

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[Chinookman]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

I don't support Communistic ideology and I certainly don't agree with your assertion that "as they openly proclaim to be followers of Mao, or align with Communistic ideology." There was one 'Czar' that had a past of trying to look into other teachings. For you to take that and run to the point of claiming that this administration is trying to bring Communism to this country, is the epitome of a "conspiracy theory."

To ignore the other 15 czars of extreme left wing ideology is very disingenuous. And yes support of this president and his extreme left wing radical 'transformation' of this nation is bad and at least say you support him rather then excuse him. yeah I'm rabid that's good. Go and do some reading and maybe just maybe......it may help....

Trying to imply that supporting our President is akin to supporting Communism, is exactly the type of technique we have come to expect from the 'Rabid-Right.'

Next you'll be saying that only Christians should be allowed to be American citizens.

Sorry to disappoint you but, this country will survive in spite of your type.

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This nation will survive but at the present rate not in the form of the liberty we grew up with........