farewell to the dollar?

[Chinookman]

Originally Posted by checkthisout

It's not a black or white issue, it's about balance. One or the other is not totally right. The idea is prevent private the rise of abusive, private autocratic powers who do nothing for the people as they did in England vs Ensuring that a system of reward stays in place for those who do good.

Education and Improvements in production create greater wealth for EVERYBODY. That is capitalism in the works....You can call it "wealth redistribution" if you like, I'll call it a system fair taxation. This nation prospered without taxation for over 180 years....another 'progressive idea.... since you have no idea how well we did without it......

It only becomes wealth redistribution if the money gets used for consumption purposes in the form of handouts rather than investments in education and hardware. That is wahat this administration ran on telling 'Joe" the plumber it is good for America....way to go....




Mathematics and Science are not forms of indoctrination unless it's the teaching of creationism at a Private school. History has bee rewritten by the former pot smoking hippies of the 60's and 70's teaching kids that America is an evil country and making us the cause for all the global ills, we are not a perfect nation but we have the best thing going based on its foundation...... which a few here seems to not know.....much about......




I agree but regulated capitalism I.E. capitalism with the abuses controlled is pretty darn perfect!

Yep the Barnie Franks Chris Dodd regulations of forcing banks to make loans to people that could not afford it...great....SEC Chairman personal friend of Madof.....yeah all imperfect and run by those that want an economic failure....we can't have a new world order with a strong America...... but then you two have conveniently ignored the extreme left wing ideologues called czars......school kids that have never run a business including the president telling us how to live great job genius....

Well good day yah'll I'll leave the to enjoy the posts and you two can cheer your tax dollars flying away as the country sinks into more entitlements for the masses.......

[AK_Gandy]

This tripe sounds exactly like it came from the playbook of that radical group, The Oath Keepers.

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[BobR]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

This tripe sounds exactly like it came from the playbook of that radical group, The Oath Keepers.

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Hey, thanks for the tip about the Oath Keepers. I hadn't seen that site before.

I am in the military reserves and since Katrina and the New Orleans gun confiscation without due process, this topic has been mentioned a few times (with officers that are pretty far up the chain of command). I've never heard anybody say anything other than "orders such as those will never be handed down in this state" and "if by chance they are, they will not be followed".

I swore an oath to defend the constitution. I will keep that oath. I do not know any member of my unit that would do otherwise.

Thanks for the tip.

added in edit: I haven't signed yet. But I will read further and if it is as presented, I will sign up. If you know anything about the group that makes them "radical" (other than the fact that they will defend the constitution), please post or send me a private message.

[mud flap]

Originally Posted by drcampbell

Please provide a citation. It would be interesting to know how that author arrived at the conclusion that gold is the sole asset "backing" paper dollars. It would also be interesting to see the data for paper money in circulation vs. gold on reserve.

I dont think the article said anything about gold "backing" paper dollars. It stated that it was the publics desire to purchase gold as a hedge that drove the price up and the final price for the gold was high enough that we could have been put back on the gold standard.

[Chinookman]

Originally Posted by AK_Gandy

This tripe sounds exactly like it came from the playbook of that radical group, The Oath Keepers.

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Wow so now defending the foundation of the US Constitution is now "tripe" very good, and how telling; your retorts are getting shorter as you have so much to defend.

Thanks for the Oath Keepers.......I will read up on it...... ah minor detail just what makes them radical.... I mean I've qualified my assertion as to why the POTUS administration IS RADICAL....... they are destroying the core values of our nation brick by brick.......Oh I'm back and just scanned the web site...so what is radical about the Oath Keepers......Tell Me have you ever lifted you right hand and taken an oath to "Uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic" and are you capable of recognizing the enemy when it is domestic?

Since you seem to make light of Van Jones as just "looking into communism" when HIS OWN words condemn him I figure that for the benefit of the viewers I'd post a list of ALL his Czars and see how many excuses you can make for him. I know growing up as a kid mom would get on me for hanging out with the wrong crowd she knew where that led too.......but for this POTUS we are to suspend core values as he sat in a racist church for over 20 years and all of the sudden he just woke from a coma....yeah.....right.......

Here we go:

Now that we know who they are, why has the media not let us know about them?

Afghanistan Czar: Richard Holbrooke- Ultra liberal anti-gun, former Gov.of New Mexico . Pro Abortion and legal drug use.
AIDS Czar:Jeffrey CrowleyHomosexual. A Gay Rights activist. Believes in Gay Marriage and Special Status, including free health care for gays.
Auto recovery Czar: Ed Montgomery- Black radical anti business activist. Affirmative Action and Job Preference for blacks. Univ of Maryland Business School Dean teaches US business has caused world poverty. ACORN board member. Communist DuBois Club member.
Border Czar: Alan Bersin- former failed Superintendent of San Diego . Ultra Liberal friend of Hilary Clinton. Served as Border Czar under Janet Reno - to keep borders open to illegals
California Water Czar:David J. Hayes Sr. Fellow of radical environmentalist group, "Progress Policy". No training or experience in water management.
Car Czar: Ron Bloom- Auto Union worker. Anti business & anti nuclear. Has worked hard to force US auto makers out of business. Sits on the Board of Chrysler which is now Auto Union owned. How did this happen?
Central Region Czar: Dennis Ross- Believes US policy has caused Mid East wars. Obama apologist to the world. Anti gun and pro abortion.
Domestic Violence Czar: Lynn Rosenthal- Director of the National Network to End Domestic Violence. Vicious anti male feminist. Supported male castration.
Drug Czar: Gil Kerlikowske- devoted lobbyist for every restrictive gun law proposal, Former Chief of Police in Liberal Seattle .. Believes no American should own a firearm. Supports legalization of drugs.
Economic Czar: Paul Volcker -Head of Fed Reserve under Jimmy Carter when US economy nearly failed. Obama appointed head of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board which engineered the Obama economic disaster to US economy. Member of anti business "Progressive Policy" organization..
Energy and Environment Czar: Carol Brower-Political Radical -Former head of EPA -- known for anti-business activism. Strong anti-gun ownership.
Faith-Based Czar: Joshua DuBois Political Black activist-Degree in Black Nationalism. Anti gun ownership lobyist.
Great Lakes Czar: Cameron Davis- Chicago radical anti business environmentalist. Blames George Bush for "Poisoning the water that minorities have to drink." No experience or training in water management. Former ACORN Board member
Green Jobs Czar: Van Jones- (since resigned). Black activist Member of American Communist Party and San FranciscoCommunist Party who said Geo Bush caused the 911 attack and wanted Bush investigated by the World Court for war crimes. Black activist with strong anti-white views.
Guantanamo Closure Czar: Daniel Fried -Rights activist for Foreign Terrorists. Believes America has caused the war on terrorism.
Health Czar: Nancy-Ann DeParle. Former head of Medicare / Medicaid. Strong Health Care Rationing proponent. She is married to a reporter for The New York Times.


Information Czar: Vivek Kundra- born in New Delhi, India . Controls all public information, including labels and news releases. Monitors all private Internet emails.
International Climate Czar: Todd Stern- Anti business former White House chief of Staff- Strong supporter of the Kyoto Accord. Pushing hard for Cap and Trade. Blames US business for Global warming.
Intelligence Czar: Dennis Blair- Ret Navy. Stopped US guided missile program as "provocative". Chair of ultra liberal "Council on Foreign Relations" which blames American organizations for regional wars.
Mideast Peace Czar: George MitchellFmr. Sen from Maine- Left wing radical. Has said Israel should be split up into "2 or 3 " smaller more manageable plots". Anti-nuclear anti-gun & pro homosexual.
Pay Czar: Kenneth Feinberg- Chief of Staff to TED KENNEDY. Lawyer who got rich off the 911 victims payoffs.
Regulatory Czar: Cass Sunstein- Liberal activist judge-believes free speech needs to be limited for the "common good". Rules against personal freedoms many times -like private gun ownership. Believes animals should have same legal rights as humans. Your dog should be able to sue you.
Science Czar: John Holdren- Fierce ideological environmentalist, Sierra Club, Anti business activist. Claims US business has caused world poverty. No Science training.
Stimulus Accountability Czar: Earl Devaney- spent career trying to take guns away from American citizens. Believes in Open Borders to Mexico . Author of statement blaming US gun stores for drug war in Mexico.
Sudan Czar: J. Scott Gration- Native of Democratic Republic of Congo. Believes US does little to help Third World countries. Council of foreign relations, asking for higher US taxes to support United Nations.
TARP Czar: Herb Allison- Fannie May CEO responsible for the US recession by using real estate mortgages to back up the US stock market. Caused millions of people to lose their life savings.
Terrorism Czar: John Brennan- Anti CIA activist. No training in diplomatic or gov. affairs. Believes Open Borders to Mexico and a dialog with terrorists and has suggested Obama disband US military.
Technology Czar: Aneesh Chopra- No Technology training. Worked for the Advisory Board Company, a health care think tank for hospitals. Anti doctor activist. Supports Obama Health care Rationing and salaried doctors working exclusively for the Gov. health care plan.
Urban Affairs Czar: Adolfo Carrion Jr.- Puerto Rican.. Anti American activist and leftist group member in Latin America . Millionaire "slum lord" of the Bronx , NY. Owns many lavish homes and condos which he got from "sweetheart" deals with labor unions. Wants higher taxes to pay for minority housing and health care.
Weapons Czar: Ashton Carter- Leftist. Wants all private weapons in US destroyed. Supports UN ban on firearms ownership in America . No Other "policy"
WMD Policy Czar: Gary Samore- Former US Communist. Wants US to destroy all WMD unilaterally as a show of good faith. Has no other "policy".

There you go folks so why has the main stream media ignored such noble up standing men and women...?

Is this why conservatives sound so rabid to you liberals because of the exposure of Robin Hood's merry men...? If it was only the POTUS that was a left winger like Jimmy Carter that is one thing but when the entire administration is infested with a nation destroying administration what is one to think of it?

Yes this nation will survive but will the landscape look like the America we grew up in or like the birthing of Mao's China?

The choice is up to each voter as long as we remember BOTH parties are progressives and taking us there...it's time to clean house on both sides of the aisles....but that's just me .... (a 58 year old veteran of Hispanic ethnicity that abhors entitlements, racial quotas and all other forms of liberty robbing policies........ ) and yeah I've had to fight for what little I have but so what, we all have it tough......from Asia to Europe I've seen both and this is still the best place to live..........for now......

[AK_Gandy]

Too funny!

You post a list (which, BTW.....has made all the rounds of the radical right) that not only has embellishments and lies but, primarily shows Obama's appointee's are mostly liberal.

Like......what did you expect?

C'mon, you can do better than that.


PS. My retorts are getting shorter because I learned a long time ago that it is futile to argue with those that have latched on to their hatred and vitriol.

So......why make my fingers sore?

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[drcampbell]

Originally Posted by mud flap

I don't think the article said anything about gold "backing" paper dollars. It stated that it was the public's desire to purchase gold as a hedge that drove the price up and the final price for the gold was high enough that we could have been put back on the gold standard.

Be that as it may, I'm still waiting for the citation which will support and clarify the claims made.

[BobR]

I've done a little more reading and thinking and have decided that I will not sign up, at least not now.

The only reason I am not yet signing the Oath Keepers pledge is that it goes further than the first two items on the list. I have not had sufficient time to study and think about many of the items on the list.

But the first two items:

"1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people."

and

"2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons."

... have been on my mind ever since Katrina. Being concerned about the government going door to door and confiscating weapons from lawful citizens is no longer something that can be dismissed as something that only a conspiracy theorist kook should worry about. It has happened.

The second Amendment states that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". This has always been understood to be an individual right and this was confirmed again with the Heller case of 2008.

Individuals have a right to weapons to use to defend themselves (or any other pupose) and that right shall not be infringed. If ever there is a time when it is important for an individual to have a weapon to use for self defense, it is during a state of "emergency" when law and order have broken down.

I will not participate in any effort to disarm the lawful American public.

I am still curious about your opinion that this group is "radical".

In this post: Purchase health insurance or pay a $1,000+ fine

you state that you are an advocate of freedom which "allows us to live our lives without the government spying or dictating our every move in private."

So the Patriot Act was very bad because the government might spy on your phone call to Iran.

But if the president declares an "emergency" and orders US troops to disarm you, round you up and put you in a camp, that's OK.


Bob

[BobR]

Related to the above post, what is the intended purpose of President Obama's "civilian national security force":

Originally Posted by President Obama

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

We have state and local law enforcement for law enforcement issues, the FBI for federal crimes and our federal military for external foes. What is the purpose of a Obama's national security force?

I often hear and read complaints that our defense budget is too big. But (some of) those same voices are now advocating doubling that budget and making the citizens of the US the target of this "national security force".

No. The US does not need it's own Gestapo under the direction of this, or any other President.

[BobR]

Originally Posted by checkthisout

There is no reason to back money with gold unless you think people that mine for gold or people who happen to find some on their property are more valuable to society than everyone else and should thus be richer.

They are still selling land in California. I don't think that it happens very often that people "happen to find some gold on their property". Having the potential for gold is one thing. Investing the time, money and resources into extracting the gold at a profit is something else. Gold is difficult and expensive to find. The fact that it cannot be produced easily is what makes it a good medium to use as the basis of a currency.

In contrast is paper money which is worth nothing if we stop believing in it!

I see that gold prices have hit an all time high today. Here's a link to current gold prices, or what I call "the US Dollar Crash-O-Meter":

24-hour Spot Chart - Gold

Originally Posted by checkthisout

Currency stability is provided through sound banking regulation and currency value is provided by what we do as a country.

You are largely correct. And skyrocketing gold prices are a very good indicator that what we are currently doing as a country (and have been doing for much longer than the last year) is not working too well.

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by BobR

They are still selling land in California. I don't think that it happens very often that people "happen to find some gold on their property". Having the potential for gold is one thing. Investing the time, money and resources into extracting the gold at a profit is something else. Gold is difficult and expensive to find. The fact that it cannot be produced easily is what makes it a good medium to use as the basis of a currency.

In contrast is paper money which is worth nothing if we stop believing in it!

I see that gold prices have hit an all time high today. Here's a link to current gold prices, or what I call "the US Dollar Crash-O-Meter":

24-hour Spot Chart - Gold



You are largely correct. And skyrocketing gold prices are a very good indicator that what we are currently doing as a country (and have been doing for much longer than the last year) is not working too well.

Well, I have my own opinion but it doesn't matter who has the gold, what matters is how smart your people are and how efficient you are at producing goods and energy.



If we needed to colonize the moon we aren't going to send Hank Paulson up there with a bunch of Gold and Derivatives in his hands. We would send intelligent, highly trained people up there with the tools to get the job done.

The biggest thing the U.S. could do to inflate the value of the dollar would be to start producing stuff the world actually needs (not like the junk that China produces) and sell it to them and provide them loans at very mediocre interest rates to pay for the stuff.

Africa needs water infrastructure, tractors to farm, modernization of their schools, so does Central and South America.

My god? Think about how many problems we would cure by helping Mexico pull itself out of third-world country status through development.

[Chinookman]

Originally Posted by BobR

Related to the above post, what is the intended purpose of President Obama's "civilian national security force":



We have state and local law enforcement for law enforcement issues, the FBI for federal crimes and our federal military for external foes. What is the purpose of a Obama's national security force?

I often hear and read complaints that our defense budget is too big. But (some of) those same voices are now advocating doubling that budget and making the citizens of the US the target of this "national security force".

No. The US does not need it's own Gestapo under the direction of this, or any other President.

This may help answer in part why Congress is in the shape it's in:
DSA Members of Congress


In short the Progressives/Socialist believe that they know better then us mere mortals.... far from the principles of our Constitution even if that document bothers some......

[AK_Gandy]

DSA Members of Congress

That's quite the site.

Pretty much what I thought.


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[drcampbell]

Originally Posted by Chinookman

This may help answer in part why Congress is in the shape it's in:
DSA Members of Congress

In short the Progressives/Socialist believe that they know better then us mere mortals.... far from the principles of our Constitution even if that document bothers some......

Yeah, I'm sure the seventy of them (whose ranks do not include the speaker, majority/minority leader or majority/minority whip) can pretty much run roughshod over the other 465 members of Congress and ram through whatever agenda they think is best for the rest of us.

Of course, to begin to believe the Socialists have taken over Washington, you'd have to blatantly ignore the fact that the actual agenda emerging from Congress has been a corporatist - imperialist agenda.

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by drcampbell

Of course, to begin to believe the Socialists have taken over Washington, you'd have to blatantly ignore the fact that the actual agenda emerging from Congress has been a corporatist - imperialist agenda.

LOL

Yeah, they seem to pretty good at convincing people otherwise.

Liberalism is now defined as taxing the people and giving it private entities so they can provide discounted rates on your goods and services.

What's fascism?

Did you notice that Liberal Obama trying to pass a public healthcare bill that has absolutely nothing public about it whatsoever?