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Old 01-11-2009, 03:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Global Warming Again

If you read the article we are going into an ice age. Anyone confused yet?

Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age - Pravda.Ru
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Looks like I need to buy a warmer coat, eh? Maybe the editors at Pravda can provide me a good source.
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But Google is causing Warming!

Revealed: the environmental impact of Google searches - Times Online


Read the article. Yup another scientist says every time you access google you use the same energy to boil a cup of tee? Come on....who comes up with this nonsense!
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Read the article. Yup another scientist says every time you access google you use the same energy to boil a cup of tee? Come on....who comes up with this nonsense!
Since Al Gore invented the internet, I say we run with this one.
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If you read the article we are going into an ice age. Anyone confused yet?

Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age - Pravda.Ru

A friend who is a scientist and fervent GW believer told me that GW is going to turn earth into a desert, or create the next Ice Age because it's going to shut down some Ocean current.

He stated that this cooling is the "cold" before the warming occurs. I then had to point out to him that he had just stated that we are going to create a desert, not an ice field. He then admitted that they don't really know.

In essence he told me that we are going to create the next ice age or a desert. ***?????

Either way, the anti-c02 crowd wins.

And this qualifies as science?
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Since Al Gore invented the internet, I say we run with this one.
Three cheers for Al Gore........ Hip Hip - Wait a dang minute! That's another malicious rumor he started to, isn't it?
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Bailout Funds

How much of your tax dollars do you think Goldman Sachs will use to speculate in the up and coming "market" for "Carbon Credits".

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Goldman Sachs has received favorable press coverage for conducting business and implementing internal policies related to reversing global climate change.[29] According to the company web site, the Goldman Sachs Foundation has given $94 million in grants since 1999, with the goal of promoting youth education worldwide.[30]
Truth is, that is what Al Gore and his Hedge Fund buddies are after. A speculatory market that can inch it's way to into the tightly knit market of U.S. energy production and the selling of the rights to generate power.
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If you read the article we are going into an ice age. Anyone confused yet?

Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age - Pravda.Ru

I actually read this article today. It's a lot of claptrap. Lots of buzzwords, but no real information.

The Author, Gregory F Fegel also believes that the WTC's were blow up with dynamite.

Department of Citizen Alice: USA exports state-sponsored terrorism, By Gregory F. Fegel

I don't believe in Global Warming, but posting articles from that source makes us Climate Change Deniers look bad.
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A friend who is a scientist and fervent GW believer told me that GW is going to turn earth into a desert, or create the next Ice Age because it's going to shut down some Ocean current.

He stated that this cooling is the "cold" before the warming occurs. I then had to point out to him that he had just stated that we are going to create a desert, not an ice field. He then admitted that they don't really know.

In essence he told me that we are going to create the next ice age or a desert. ***?????

Either way, the anti-c02 crowd wins.

And this qualifies as science?

just out of curiosity could you ask your friend when one of these scientists is going to remember we already had both a very hot climate (dinosaur times.... or did they forget) and an ice age (hell they made a few cartoon movies bout it) ....... id love to know what or who was around back then to "cause" global warming? when is a scientist gonna stand up and say "scuze me but qwe might just be going through the natural order/cycle of things here on this planet
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just out of curiosity could you ask your friend when one of these scientists is going to remember we already had both a very hot climate (dinosaur times.... or did they forget) and an ice age (hell they made a few cartoon movies bout it) ....... id love to know what or who was around back then to "cause" global warming? when is a scientist gonna stand up and say "scuze me but qwe might just be going through the natural order/cycle of things here on this planet

Yeah I dunno.

Remember, the continents were still stuck together then too.

He is trying to convince that we will have 10 years of cold weather in the lower lattitudes while the Ice Caps still continue to melt. He says that this is because the heat is driving evaporation which is cooling off the atmosphere and putting the heat into the Oceans. That actually sounds logical to me so I am going to make a point of checking Polar Ice Levels for the next few years.


One thing I do know for sure. We need to get off of foreign oil and accept that we have a lot of but limited coal and oil supplies on our own continent. Shrugging off foreign oil will lead to a dramatic reduction in C02 output.

I wish our Presidents weren't so beholden to Global Bankers that make their money as the "Go betweens" in the oil business.
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Those of you who are worried that the next four years might bring about federal regulations requiring you to actually do something different can apparently relax:

Federal news, government operations, agency management, pay & benefits - FederalTimes.com
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Who knows what happened 20 million years ago?

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Yeah I dunno.

Remember, the continents were still stuck together then too.

He is trying to convince that we will have 10 years of cold weather in the lower latitudes while the Ice Caps still continue to melt. He says that this is because the heat is driving evaporation which is cooling off the atmosphere and putting the heat into the Oceans. That actually sounds logical to me so I am going to make a point of checking Polar Ice Levels for the next few years.


One thing I do know for sure. We need to get off of foreign oil and accept that we have a lot of but limited coal and oil supplies on our own continent. Shrugging off foreign oil will lead to a dramatic reduction in C02 output.

I wish our Presidents weren't so beholden to Global Bankers that make their money as the "Go betweens" in the oil business.
A lot of this is conjecture!

I'm all for a massive reduction in imported oil!! That said I don't want to be buying home grown oil or natural gas at two times the price of imported oil to prove a point when our economy is in the crapper. That would put a burden on industry that we can't overcome.

Lets face it if one is against imported oil and against Co-2 both at the same time they better be for nuclear power because there are no other options at the present time.
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A lot of this is conjecture!

I'm all for a massive reduction in imported oil!! That said I don't want to be buying home grown oil or natural gas at two times the price of imported oil to prove a point when our economy is in the crapper. That would put a burden on industry that we can't overcome.

Lets face it if one is against imported oil and against Co-2 both at the same time they better be for nuclear power because there are no other options at the present time.
Most internet banter is conjecture.

I don't know about you but I am all for Nuclear Power. There is a lot of land in the United States that can be irrigated and inhabitated if we go even further and use Nukes for desalinization.

I also like the idea of using waste heat from Nukes to cook coal into liquid fuels.

All these projects are feasible but we have wasted the last 8 years investing in debt.
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... I also like the idea of using waste heat from Nukes to cook coal into liquid fuels.
Dream on. 70% of a nuclear reactor's heat output may be wasted, (60% of a coal plant's) but the waste heat is rejected at body temperature. It's not feasible to recover it and put it toward a secondary use.
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Dream on. 70% of a nuclear reactor's heat output may be wasted, (60% of a coal plant's) but the waste heat is rejected at body temperature. It's not feasible to recover it and put it toward a secondary use.
Con Edison: Projects - Ada Cogeneration Plant

It took me awhile but they pump the steam through the lines at about 350F.

Gasfication requires about 800C so yeah, you're right. We couldn't use the waste heat alone to gasify coal.
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