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Old 07-09-2008, 09:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wow he makes sense and he is/was an oil man.
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12 million watts!!!!!!!
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We've been seeing a lot of traffic through here lately of these enormous Blades being transported from barges down off the Gulf coast. Stunning to see the size of each on a Horizontal plane. And the work involved to try and turn a corner off the Interstate is amusing at times.
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Pickens claims 4000 megawatts!!!

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We've been seeing a lot of traffic through here lately of these enormous Blades being transported from barges down off the Gulf coast. Stunning to see the size of each on a Horizontal plane. And the work involved to try and turn a corner off the Interstate is amusing at times.
Thats 4000 x a million watts. That would be 4,000,000,000 Watts. I think it goes maga watt (million) Giga-watt (billion) Tera-watt (Trillion)

My brother says they are installing them in up=upstate NY in the mountains and says the blades transport is an issue. I don't know what the weight of a blade is but possibly a Sky-crane might work!
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That's basically what Jimmy Carter and the Green Party have been saying since 1979.

But no, 70%-imported petroleum isn't a problem. Not an economic problem, not a national-security problem.

We didn't go to Viet Nam over oil, either. Nope, no oil there. It was all about dominoes.


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That's basically what Jimmy Carter and the Green Party have been saying since 1979.

But no, 70%-imported petroleum isn't a problem. Not an economic problem, not a national-security problem.

We didn't go to Viet Nam over oil, either. Nope, no oil there. It was all about dominoes.


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Today in America the best paid one-fifth of the population receives about one half of all national income, while the bottom one-fifth receives less than 4 per cent. The distribution of wealth in America is even more unfair. Here, the top one-half per cent of all property owners control over 25% of all wealth; while the top 5% sit on nearly 70% of wealth and property. What chance does the average person have for exercising his or her democratic rights under these conditions!

Behind this unfair distribution of wealth and income stand a few giant corporations who own or control nearly all newspapers, television networks and radio stations, movie companies, book publishers, and other sources of information and means of communication. Both of America's major political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, are dependent on these corporations and the few super-rich individuals and families associated with them. In fact, nearly all major offices in the US government, whether elected or appointed, are filled by individuals from this corporate network. What chance does democracy have under such conditions? What chance does nature and the environment have?

Clean natural gas??? Nope not these guys

LNG: The Next Battle Line

Clean coal? nope not these guys

Nuclear? nope.

Wind well only is there is no possibility of ZERO birds ever flying into it!!!

Solar? Well only after years of research to see is solar has any bad effects on the environment.

Drilling? you're kidding.


So 6 or more things are off the table, anyone that makes money is bad and their solution is WHAT? solutions....solutions who needs solutions we (them) only tell you what we don't want?

How about Iran?

GPUSA deplores the continuing escalation of this administration's war-like rhetoric, which includes calling Iran one of the "axis of evil'" pushing for sanctions at the UN and Vice President Cheney's calling for air strikes against Iran. It is a supreme irony that this administration calls Iran a threat to world peace while it is the United States' illegal war and occupation of Iraq,


Cheney wants to bomb Iran? I missed that one???

Jews and Israel? Nope don't like them either.

Greens/Green Party USA condemns the massive air strikes against Lebanon and the continuing raids and missile strikes against Gaza by Israel. The US government has condoned and encouraged Israel by arming it and when the many countries in the world were asking for a cease fire, the US has resisted up to now, hoping that Israel will be able to eliminate Hamas in Palestine and Hizbullah in Lebanon.

How to get even in hard times?


States can help their people by:

1. Eliminating all corporate subsidies and tax breaks. Corporations complain, but they pay fewer taxes than they did 25 years ago. This would give us billions nationally every year.


2. Saying "yes" to new taxes if they benefit people, not corporations. Tax luxury boats, expensive cars, jewelry, furs, and heavy taxes on personal and corporate income over $500.000, no taxes on personal incomes below $25,000.

3. Eliminating 2/3 of state universities' administrators, which would free up millions in every state for tuition breaks and more teaching faculty.
Building community gardens and driving able-bodied people on welfare and their children to the gardens regularly to grow their own food, saving us money and teaching self-reliance.

3. NO tax rebates because they do NOT help the neediest. In order to qualify for a tax rebate, one must make enough money to pay taxes. Millions of people do not. Instead, allocate grants so that every adult has at least $1,000 a month to live on.

4. Social Security tax stops being taken out of people's paychecks after they've grossed $102,000. in any given year. I propose states start taking the same amount at that point, then start again after the $102,000. mark is reached each year. No one making that kind of money will even notice.


5. Eliminating control of pesticides from state agriculture departments, which never saw a pesticide they didn't like. Put pesticide control in with other hazardous chemicals departments where they belong. This should save millions of dollars in each state and provide better oversight of these too-ubiquitous poisons.


6. Encouraging people to share their homes, and give willing homeowners grants to make separate apartments, either to save fuel in winter or year-round. States could lease large homes so several women on welfare and their children could live together. Single moms can then share household costs and chores, grow gardens, and get jobs because they'll be sharing child care.


7. States set example on energy conservation:
Turn off room lights in all State building rooms with windows, letting the sun provide natural light;
Encourage public agencies to set thermostats at no more than 60-62 degrees in winter and 75-78 in summer; encourage people to dress for the weather, not the latest half-naked fashion. I say this as I sit here in my 56 degree farmhouse wearing three pairs of socks, long underwear, turtleneck with two wool sweaters on top while the thermometer outside reads 5 degrees. Here in Maine we dress appropriately or freeze to death;
Turn out streetlights nearly everywhere. This alone would result in huge energy savings and taxpayers' money throughout the country;

8. Do not encourage more methane burners as at certain older dumps or manure piles, since methane is a key greenhouse gas;


9. Do not support the importation of LNG, since burning LNG also leads to global warming;


10. Break up the big power grids, build more local power generators-wind, solar, small hydro, etc.--so we aren't all power-less when one little squirrel gets into a generator three states away. Also, rural people should not have to pay for huge, energy-generating facilities to keep heedless cities' air conditioning and lights on all night;


11. Any new prisons should be large, organic farms so inmates can grow their own food and be taught useful life skills.

12. States should purchase all the oil used in their state at best possible price using their superior buying power (from Venezuela, most likely), pass those savings along to oil dealers, who will pass the savings on to customers.

13. States should buy efficient wood stoves and sell them at cost to low-income people who need them, along with a safety course. Everyone should have backup for when the power goes out, as it does, and will more from now on as we move into more frenetic weather events. WOOD STOVES??? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

14. "Economic Development" (read "I want to make money from this") people bemoan the fact that there are too many older and retired people. Having many older people should be cause for rejoicing. Older people spend locally, are involved in virtually no crime or drug dealing, have no small children to raise our school taxes, have low accident rates, and are good citizens.

15. Retired people should be treated as a precious resource, full of knowledge, who can be called upon to help guide local affairs and mentor younger people.

16. Health care: let's pool our money and self-insure. Already insured: Social Security and disability recipients, prisoners, current and ex-military, federal and state employees, federal and state legislatures, governors, university employees, people on welfare, Indian tribes, homeless and others in total penury (it's called "emergency room," and we end up paying for it, as most of the above), and some fortunate corporate employees whose health care packages haven't yet been shredded. With so many already health-insured, it should be a rather simple matter to turn health care into one, big, all-inclusive system, thereby saving billions in corporate insurance companies' "overhead" and bloated profits.

17. Stop allowing our natural resources to be wasted by simply dumping "garbage" into pits. Re-use all reusables, compost food waste, recycle everything possible, take buildings apart carefully so still-good materials can be re-used. This will save tipping fees and help keep our woods and waters clean.

18. Banks should be leaned on to provide low interest rates to lower-income people struggling to pay their mortgages. This is an important task for states' governors. SO THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS?

But, in order to effect Real Change, we need to have Real Democracy where We, the People, make the decisions that affect our lives.

This country has been disgraced by the actions of a few in the eyes of the world. We. the People, can help restore the respect of the world by our good works.

Do right, and risk consequences.

Nancy Oden is an environmental and political activist. She lives in Jonesboro, Maine


THIS PERSON AND THE GREEN PARTY SMOKED POT IN THE 60' AND HAVE NOT STOPPED!!!
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I assure you, I didn't smoke any pot in the 60s. (born 1959)

Your information is at least seven years out of date.
There was a major GP reorganization in 2001. The "Greens/Green Party USA" is now a splinter group consisting of little more than a website.
The Green Party of the United States - the actual political party, the organization recognized by the Federal Election Commission - has its headquarters in Washington, DC, (not Eureka, California) and a website at Green Party of the United States | Homepage

Green Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Green party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (International)
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Your information is at least seven years out of date.
There was a major GP reorganization in 2001. The "Greens/Green Party USA" is now a splinter group consisting of little more than a website.
The Green Party of the United States - the actual political party, the organization recognized by the Federal Election Commission - has its headquarters in Washington, DC, (not Eureka, California) and a website at Green Party of the United States | Homepage

Green Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Green party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (International)

If you thought I was saying you smoked pot, that was NOT my intent at all!

These guys and gals are far our of touch with reality. Those quotes came from a recent publication. Did you see some of the solutions suggested? Rais taxes on everybory rich, punish the rich!!!! Give me a brake, they sound like Berkeley hippies from the 60's!
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What exactly are we fighting about?

The government should cut back on welfare spending and tax breaks and focus on infrastructure development.

This way the money is invested in hardware and create jobs that way instead of just giving someone a check to spend. Giving me back 900 bucks of my own money to spend on gas that goes to some private corporation's profits is shortsighted.

The Environmental movement has been hijacked by borderline treasonous morons and investment Banks that want to use Environmental laws to cut domestic industrial production and make outsourcing easier.
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What exactly are we fighting about?

The government should cut back on welfare spending and tax breaks and focus on infrastructure development.

This way the money is invested in hardware and create jobs that way instead of just giving someone a check to spend. Giving me back 900 bucks of my own money to spend on gas that goes to some private corporation's profits is shortsighted.

The Environmental movement has been hijacked by borderline treasonous morons and investment Banks that want to use Environmental laws to cut domestic industrial production and make outsourcing easier.
Imagine if that silly $700 each person check were put into energy investment tax credits!!!!! The number quoted was 146 billion.

146 billion into energy tax credits would have been a tremendous jump start to the energy program.


Stupid waste and more non-leadership from both parties! That stimulus was a stimulus for what one or 2 months.

Give a man bread and he eats one meal, teach him to fish and he eats forever......or something like that.

For less than a grand you could put a simple solar panel on your house that makes hot water for 20 years FREE. Rather than the government giving you a check for what ever short term spending it was wasted on they give you a check (AFTER) you install the solar panel. You then eliminate hot water electric power for 20 years.

From DOE you could reduce your hot water bill 50% to 80% depending on your climate area. Average savings would be $15 a month. I know it doesn't sound like much but 15 a month is approaching $200 a year and in 20 years you would have saved approaching $4,000. that assumes that you are still paying the same electric rate which is not happening.

Assume a simple panel could be installed for $1,000? assume $146,000,000,000....... now that would be 146,000,000 small water solar systems.

I know I'm extrapolating quite freely here but bare with me.


146,000,000 times $200 a year = 29,200,000,000 back to people a year in the form of energy savings.

I realize this is simplistic. There could be $1,000 for other things like insulation in your house, low watt light bulbs, high e windows, etc.

Or they could go the short sighted road they went and let the 146 billion be wasted on six packs, cigarettes, and lotto tickets.

I'm going to be blasphemous here. How about a $.50 a gallon TAX on gas and diesel???? (not heating oil)

Holy smoke roofeditor has gone nuts!!!!

How about taking the $.50 a gallon times (only on imported oil thank you!!!!)
the 9 million barrels DAILY and come up with 40(plus or minus) gallons of fuel(s) times 9 million = $36,000,000 daily into (not the general fund!!!!) a energy ONLY infrastructure fund!!! Kept in A locked box and have Al Gore with the key!!! (humor)

Hey it would be a step forward! Better than doing nothing like we have been doing since the last Arab embargo of the early 70's.

Quote roofeditor: in life you come to challenges in the road, you have only 2 choices, (A) become part of the solution, (B) become part of the problem, (C) do nothing is really a version of (B) part of the problem.

Quote my old boss George Steinbrenner: (sign on his desk) Lead, Follow or get the F--K out of my way!!!!

Where is the leadership?
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I'm very happy to see people starting to think about solutions rather than to just continue complaining about the current situation.
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"The Greatest Generation" won WWII with a national team effort directed towards one goal. The Germans had efficient syn petro 60+ years ago, but dino oil was $5-$10/bbl so why pursue it after the war?

I'm surprised that kinetic/potential tidal energy hasn't been more successful. If you've ever navigated a boat under the South tower of the Golden Gate Bridge during an 8 knot tide current you can appreciate the power rushing thru there.

Why not a big turbine or water wheel to harness that energy?
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"The Greatest Generation" won WWII with a national team effort directed towards one goal. The Germans had efficient syn petro 60+ years ago, but dino oil was $5-$10/bbl so why pursue it after the war?

I'm surprised that kinetic/potential tidal energy hasn't been more successful. If you've ever navigated a boat under the South tower of the Golden Gate Bridge during an 8 knot tide current you can appreciate the power rushing thru there.

Why not a big turbine or water wheel to harness that energy?

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