Huge Alaska oil reserves... piddly 12 years... - Diesel Forum

MackE7 · 07-23-2008, 09:12 PM

So there it is... someone credible finally put numbers to Alaska's huge oil reserves. 90 Billion barrels. We'd burn it in 12 years. Think about that. In 12 years we would be exactly where we are now, only the rest of the world would have even less oil and the Alaskan reserve would be empty.

Survey finds oil bonanza in Arctic

JoeVacs · 07-23-2008, 09:33 PM

12 years ( if you believe that ) is better than NONE ! which is what all these stupid green freaks and democrats want to give us.

MackE7 · 07-23-2008, 10:11 PM

Yeah, we better drill those reservoirs and burn that oil as fast as we can. Right on, brother. :rollseyes:

Consider this. It took the earth millions of years to make that oil. Should we just waste it in our 15 MPG SUVs as fast as we can ? Or should we CONSERVE it and make it last for 25 or 50 years ?

I'm liking the higher oil prices. People just wasted it before. Maybe Ford learned a lesson this year from building the fuel pig we know as the 6.4.

JoeVacs · 07-23-2008, 10:16 PM

SELL YOUR TRUCK ! buy one of those stupid little hybrid craker boxes.
What a hypocrite !

AK_Gandy · 07-23-2008, 10:21 PM

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SELL YOUR TRUCK ! buy one of those stupid little hybrid craker boxes.
What a hypocrite !

You're just grumpy cause you have a new truck with $600+ truck payments and diesel is at $5.00.

JoeVacs · 07-23-2008, 10:29 PM

I'm happy as can be ! My payment is 900 and I pass the cost on to the customer. I just don't understand this GREEN crap that all these wacko people are trying to shove down our throats. It's BULL CRAP ! There is NOT a shortage of oil any more today than there was in 1973 ! The Globe isn't warmer because of us either. If you want to go live in a cave, fine . I happen to like progress and convienience. Why do these people, and apparently you , want to go backwards instead of forward ?

clamgulch · 07-23-2008, 10:30 PM

For crying out loud. Hand the guy the exact same info, time after time for months on end, and he won't believe it until he reads it in some crappy publication that didn't even do the research themselves but hijacked it from Bloomberg. Mack, you would do yourself a huge favor if you would learn some principles about integrity in journalism.

12 years is based on the asinine assumption that they could pump it out starting tomorrow at a rate that takes care of 100% of the needs of the entire nation. Think, man, that's not happenin'. There's only one pipeline and it's being used for the forseeable future.
And concerning you whining about the ANWR, it's a frickin' frozen peat bog and it's not good for anything except ignoring it and letting the animals that are able to survive there do what they have been doing for millions of years- surviving- barely. Mosquitos are thick enough there to drain a 500 pound cariboo in 3 days. That's no joke- they will kill it. Wanna go there? Not even a tree to piss behind. That's why it's a "NWR," because that makes otherwise worthless land sound important without costing the taxpayers anything.

AK_Gandy · 07-23-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeVacs

I'm happy as can be ! My payment is 900 and I pass the cost on to the customer. I just don't understand this GREEN crap that all these wacko people are trying to shove down our throats. It's BULL CRAP ! There is NOT a shortage of oil any more today than there was in 1973 ! The Globe isn't warmer because of us either. If you want to go live in a cave, fine . I happen to like progress and convienience. Why do these people, and apparently you , want to go backwards instead of forward ?

Going "forward" means finding a way to stretch out the use of a finite resource.

Or don't you care if your children have the resources they need to raise their own family?

clamgulch · 07-23-2008, 10:46 PM

Now read this about the "peak oil" and note that the article mumbles a bit about "abiotic" oil production- the earth manufactures it chemically and only a very small percentage is plant and animal based: Shell exec says world not running out of oil

There's so much oil that the only way to keep the price from crashing is to manufacture LIES and HYSTERIA about "running out." Yes, it's expensive to produce, but nowhere near what you are paying at the pump.

It's NOT a finite resource.

clamgulch · 07-23-2008, 10:55 PM

The problem with believing that the earth produces oil via chemical processes means having to admit that you are being SCREWED. Wake up, folks- because that's what's going on, and the uneducated green environazi's are using lies and hysteria as a means to control other people to dampen their own fears, instead of just reading some research that someone else has done. It's easier for them to complain and terrorize people than to produce FACTS. Go watch The Matrix part one, over and over until you "get it." What you are seeing is the "world that has been pulled over your eyes" by the ultra rich and their servants. You're nothing but batteries to them for their use, abuse and dispose of, and they will tell you anything you want to hear so long as it keeps you "plugged in."

THEBUNDO · 07-24-2008, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MackE7

So there it is... someone credible finally put numbers to Alaska's huge oil reserves. 90 Billion barrels. We'd burn it in 12 years. Think about that. In 12 years we would be exactly where we are now, only the rest of the world would have even less oil and the Alaskan reserve would be empty.

Survey finds oil bonanza in Arctic

That assertion, about burning it up in 12 years, is wrong. That would only happen if we burned NOTHING ELSE for 12 years, and could pump and transport it that fast. We'd have to stop importing, shut down all our other wells, refuse Canadian & Mexican oil, etc. Why would anyone do THAT? Rather, it's another piece of the puzzle, a VERY significant one, as that oil will factor into the energy puzzle for DECADES. What other oil area in the US could supply the WHOLE PIE for as long as 12 years? It provides more buffer time to get things switched to alternatives, while helping to hold prices from getting much worse in the meantime. It's a no-brainer to get that oil flowing as fast as possible.

AK_Gandy · 07-24-2008, 06:05 AM

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It's NOT a finite resource.

You need to look up the definition of "finite."

Last I checked, there aren't any more dinosaurs to be squeezed into oil.

roofeditor · 07-24-2008, 09:59 AM

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You need to look up the definition of "finite."

Last I checked, there aren't any more dinosaurs to be squeezed into oil.

There are dinosaurs......driving F-150/250/350's to 7-11 to HAUL BEER. BUTTS AND LOTTO TICKETS!

MackE7 · 07-24-2008, 10:30 AM

Of course I know they aren't going to produce all of Alaska in 12 years.

As far as the article goes, how come every article I produce is a crock and all of yours, even the ones about the conspiracy and oil market manipulation, are to be taken as the bible itself ? Me thinks you have an agenda !

What I can't figure out is how people expect that we can go on burning oil like we have an infinite supply forever. Sooner or later its going to get scarce and when it does, we've got a big problem. Why don't we start doing something about it NOW rather than waiting for the problem to become insurmountable ? For that reason, I wish oil would go up to $200 a barrel and stay there.

This argument reminds me about trying to talk to my friends about why spending $400K on an investment property wasn't a good idea. The upward trend in house prices wasn't sustainable ! Just like wasting oil for no good reason isn't sustainable either ! But you can't tell anyone anything while the good times are rolling. They just think the party will last forever. Now look at housing. Don't you think a little common sense during the party would have saved a big hangover ? The same can be said for our oil consumption.

THEBUNDO · 07-24-2008, 12:34 PM

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Why don't we start doing something about it NOW rather than waiting for the problem to become insurmountable ? For that reason, I wish oil would go up to $200 a barrel and stay there.

We certainly do need to get alternative as fast as possible. I own 2 hybrids and my daily driver is a Honda GX, a natural gas car. I sold my last large truck last January, as I am able to "commandeer" trucks when needed.

But I find it shocking that so many liberals, who profess to care for the little guy, say things like you did, namely "I wish oil would go up to $200 a barrel and stay there". Do you realize how many more folks will lose jobs, homes, etc., if that happens? Their alternate energy will then be a campfire, next to their "van down by the river". That wish seems compassionless, to say the least, or at least fails to factor in the negative impact on real breathing humans. Groceries rising, too expensive to get to work, etc. This country isn't tightly compacted like Europe or Japan, and mass transit won't EVER work for most people. Or would liberals like a set of train tracks to every farm and neighborhood? That'd be real efficient. And would they scream about the environmental impact of more train tracks the way they scream about Anwar, a place virtually nobody will EVER go? Some liberals want to shut down the middle of nowhere to ATV's. What's with these folks?

It seems some people worry more about perceived impact on caribou than real impact on humans. Not to mention the massive waste of resources if we don't allow current vehicles to wear out, or they become too expensive to drive at all.