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... fit in a group 65 tray that has 1600 CCA's and that can be purchased for 300 bucks.
Read between the lines: Kinetik's website doesn't specify cold cranking amps, just "amps".
It's not a huge stretch of the imagination to suggest that a battery which can deliver 800 cold cranking amperes at -18 degrees C can deliver 1600 amperes at room temperature.
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Douglas Campbell, P.E.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
Yes, Sears sells a rebranded version (Die Hard Platinum) of the Odyssey. I have two of them in my toy hauler and they have performed beautifully. I will probably go with these when I replace my truck batteries next year.
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Read between the lines: Kinetik's website doesn't specify cold cranking amps, just "amps".
It's not a huge stretch of the imagination to suggest that a battery which can deliver 800 cold cranking amperes at -18 degrees C can deliver 1600 amperes at room temperature.
I understand that but this discussion is about CCA. Here is an example
PHCA: 1,750A at 80°F (27°C); for 5 seconds
CCA: 930A at 0°F (-18°C); for 30 seconds
and I don't know if the voltage drop is the same for both specs. I wouldn't be surprised if the PHCH allowed a higher voltage drop.
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If I recall properly, the PHCA (Pulse Hot Cranking Amps) specification is still in draft form, but I'd be very surprised if the SAE committee uses a terminal voltage specification different from the one for CCA and CA/MCA when it's finalized.
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Douglas Campbell, P.E.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
Last edited by drcampbell; 01-03-2009 at 01:03 PM.
Just bought two new Motorcraft batteries for my truck which were manufactured 11-08 in Mexico. Great cranking power!
Also, I have owned smaller yellow top Optimas previously and they did not perform as well as these Motorcraft. Although I liked the maintenance free design of the Optimas much better. More closed hood time. Several others have put the larger yellow top Optimas, which required battery case modications, and they worked out extremely well.
Might mention my truck was also manufactured in Mexico and it has been the best, most trouble free vehicle I have owned. And I have owned quite a few vehicles over my life.
Mike
Optimas are the most overated devices on the face of the planet. IMO of course.
All of your Superduties electrical parts are made in Mexico.
It looks like I'm mistaken about the batteries being 1600 CCA's. But 1600, 1800, 2000, or if you feel like it 2400 Amps, is still a crap load!!!
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2 Optima Red Tops
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Indeed it is, but the "ordinary" car/truck batteries you've been playing with all your life will also deliver that much juice at room temperature.
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Douglas Campbell, P.E.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
I beg to differ!!! My Red Tops 800CCA's-1000Cranking Amps. Thats 20%! And from my calculations 80% of 1600 = 1280
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03 F-350 DRW Lariat 7.3,4x4 6-Speed, 4.10Gears , 4 inch ProComp lift, BFG AT LT315/75R16, 3 in. spacer between duals.
GT38R 1.0 Housing
Banks Monster Exhaust, w/Turbo Elbow, AFE Stage 2 Cold Air Kit, South Bend Stage 2 Clutch and Cyro'ed Flywheel
DP 80econ -Stuck there for now because someone stole my SCT box
2 Optima Red Tops
Auto Meter Boost and Pyro Gauges
8,200lbs---Cat Scale---Thats me and and 38 Gallons of Diesel
1987 Mustang GT Cobra Clone- crate motor, cage and more suspension than I know what to do with
Loves to run down Vettes and Vipers on the road course
I beg to differ!!! My Red Tops 800CCA's-1000Cranking Amps. Thats 20%! And from my calculations 80% of 1600 = 1280
You can differ if you want or you could learn somthing. CCA is at 0° for 30 sec, CA is at 32° for 30 sec. The number you are wanting to believe is at 80° for 5 sec.
If you take the battery specs I posted (which is a real battery) and convert them to your battery and use your math that 800 CCA Optima has 1500 PHCA amps.
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03 F-350 DRW Lariat 7.3,4x4 6-Speed, 4.10Gears , 4 inch ProComp lift, BFG AT LT315/75R16, 3 in. spacer between duals.
GT38R 1.0 Housing
Banks Monster Exhaust, w/Turbo Elbow, AFE Stage 2 Cold Air Kit, South Bend Stage 2 Clutch and Cyro'ed Flywheel
DP 80econ -Stuck there for now because someone stole my SCT box
2 Optima Red Tops
Auto Meter Boost and Pyro Gauges
8,200lbs---Cat Scale---Thats me and and 38 Gallons of Diesel
1987 Mustang GT Cobra Clone- crate motor, cage and more suspension than I know what to do with
Loves to run down Vettes and Vipers on the road course
I'm not too happy with Optima right now.I've got a red top that's less than 3 years old, in a car that sits dormant about half the time that won't hold a charge any more. Going to have to take it in, and see how much they'll give me on a pro rated warranty
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Optimas are the most overated devices on the face of the planet. IMO of course.
If you say so. I bought my truck new 16+ years ago and like other guys have said, they're battery eaters. Even the original Motorcrafts only last 3 years like all the others after. I bought two Red Top Optimas 6 years ago and they're still doing great. With the price of diesel, etc, the truck sits now for extended periods at 12 degrees or less temp and the Optimas crank it like it was July.
My truck isn't a battery eater. I replaced the OE batteries at 4 years 10 months just because of their age not because they were bad. I gave them to a friend of mine and he used them in a couple other vehicles. My second set of Motorcrafts are still in there and are a little over 4 years old now. I'll probably replace them in the spring.
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Its official now. I have worked at Optima Batteries for 11 years. In 2000, Johnson controls bought Optima and immediatly began construction of a plant in mexico. We were told that our U.S. plant could not produce enough product so the plant in mexico would be to supply Europe. Slowly but surely, our product lines began being transferred to mexico. Then the week before Thanksgiving, we were told that the U.S. plant will be closed Jan.24 2009. Just thought you all would like to know.
Sorry to hear about your predicament, it seems like this is what has helped to put us in this mess. Thanks Clinton. good luck to you and hopefully the new year will be kind to you.
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If you say so. I bought my truck new 16+ years ago and like other guys have said, they're battery eaters. Even the original Motorcrafts only last 3 years like all the others after. I bought two Red Top Optimas 6 years ago and they're still doing great. With the price of diesel, etc, the truck sits now for extended periods at 12 degrees or less temp and the Optimas crank it like it was July.
I used an Optima in the boat that went bad in a year, I had it replaced under warranty and of course it went bad again a year later.
They just don't hold up the way they say they do. Normal Deep Cycle I can just cook on the charger for a little while and can generally get 3 years out of them, but the optimas were just totally fried.
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