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To be clear, I wasn't trying to argue that FDR's idea would work. I was stating that it clearly did not work. It sounds like you're stating that it could not work. If so, we agree.
I did like your statement:
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Originally Posted by drcampbell
It would be like a society in which everybody has a nest egg and retires. It's impossible because ultimately, somebody needs to do the work.
I might add that an even worse situation is when people with NO nest egg decide to retire or otherwise quit work and let the rest of society support them via the government. As you said, somebody needs to do the work, and in this situation, those that are still working have an additional burden of supporting those that are not working.
Another quote I like that applies here:
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Originally Posted by Margaret Thatcher
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
I might add that an even worse situation is when people with NO nest egg decide to retire or otherwise quit work and let the rest of society support them via the government. As you said, somebody needs to do the work, and in this situation, those that are still working have an additional burden of supporting those that are not working.
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What about Republicans deregulating Banking that has allowed large investment houses to box up our debt and sell it to foreigners whom earn interest on it rather than the American people?
Isn't profit going to an overseas corporation (for instance a european-based utilities holding company) akin to you having to work to support someone who doesn't work?
Certainly the republicans have gotten the evil government off the back of those hard-working, highly advanced, oh so valuable to society investment bankers. Thank God!
I feel freer everyday I watch Goldman Sachs package up more credit card debt and sell it to Saudis so they can earn 8% interest on their deposits while the American worker with some money in his savings account earns 1%.
What about Republicans deregulating Banking that has allowed large investment houses to box up our debt and sell it to foreigners whom earn interest on it rather than the American people?
Isn't profit going to an overseas corporation (for instance a european-based utilities holding company) akin to you having to work to support someone who doesn't work?
Certainly the republicans have gotten the evil government off the back of those hard-working, highly advanced, oh so valuable to society investment bankers. Thank God!
I feel freer everyday I watch Goldman Sachs package up more credit card debt and sell it to Saudis so they can earn 8% interest on their deposits while the American worker with some money in his savings account earns 1%.
Blah blah blah blah, you have everything in there except FACTS. Did you just choose to forget about Bill Clinton and repealing the Glass-Steagall Act otherwise known as "The New New Deal", good Lord....
Blah blah blah blah, you have everything in there except FACTS. Did you just choose to forget about Bill Clinton and repealing the Glass-Steagall Act otherwise known as "The New New Deal", good Lord....
Give us some history of that bill.
The bill is named after 3 people, what party are they affiliated with?
The vote was along party lines.
Clinton (wuss) just did what the Republicans, whom are fundamentally deregulators (per John Mccain) told him to do. Deregulation/no regulation is and always has been the calling card of 1 party. Of course, in the last 8 years the democrats have become just as corrupted as the republicans have by money from Bankers.
Um, no. Democrats and Republicans colluded in passing the The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, aka. the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, 362-57 in the House and 90-8 in the Senate. The party-line difference is barely statistically significant.
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Originally Posted by checkthisout
... Of course, in the last 8 years the democrats have become just as corrupted as the republicans have by money from bankers.
Eight years!? The problem was well entrenched long before 2001.
Remember this guy, who became prominent nine years ago precisely because bipartisan corruption was well entrenched by then? YouTube - NADER RALLY PART 1
The solution? Abandon the lesser-of-two-weasels mentality and vote against everybody who accepts PAC money, corporate contributions, special-interest money or or soft money. Then elect someone who's not corrupted by PAC money, corporate contributions, special-interest money or or soft money. Green Party of the United States | Homepage
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
Last edited by drcampbell; 09-23-2009 at 07:15 AM.
One way to fix the mess in Congress is to impose term limits. In addition, repeal the 17th Amendment and let the state legislatures appoint the senators. Today's Congress does not answer to the people as originally intended by the founding fathers.
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We have term limits in the Michigan state legislature and it has made the situation worse, not better. The net result has been that individual legislators have less clout and party bosses have more, and a term-limited legislator spends his entire last term fishing for his next job, not even trying to do enough of the public's bidding to get elected.
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1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
didnt all of you hear?? the new pres is gonna take care of all of us on his socialistic march for universal health care.. ive got a thought .. just kick out all the illegals that cost money and tie up the system.. just think of how fast and efficient the e.r would be then... my peeps where here when columbus landed so that kinda makes just about everyone an illegal, dont it?... just kidding... but, if you dont got no green card and dont pay no taxes then here it is, you aint gotta go home but you gotta get the h^&% out of here
The solution? Abandon the lesser-of-two-weasels mentality and vote against everybody who accepts PAC money, corporate contributions, special-interest money or or soft money. Then elect someone who's not corrupted by PAC money, corporate contributions, special-interest money or or soft money. Green Party of the United States | Homepage
Want a government free of influence of PACs and lobbyists? The answer is aparently today's democratic party. White House spokesman tells us so here:
(I guess the unions and trial lawyers somehow don't count)
This further proves my earlier comment that merely stating that your party is free of outside influence doesn't make it so. The answer isn't to promise to be a better person than "the other guys" in saying NO to the corrupting influences. The answer is to restore the 10th amendment, reduce the size and scope of the federal government so there will be no benefit in trying to buy off the politicians.
... The answer is to restore the 10th amendment, reduce the size and scope of the federal government so there will be no benefit in trying to buy off the politicians.
How, exactly?
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Douglas Campbell, P.E.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
We are now in the middle of the swine flu epidemic. We've had most of a year to prepare. A year ago, the government was promising 100 million vaccines. Over the summer, the number was lowered to 40 million. A month ago the number was lowered again to 28 million.
As of last week, 11.5 million had been delivered.
So with a year to prepare for a known epidemic that was headed our way, our government has managed to meet 10% of its stated goals.
And we want this same group to take over all of our health care?
We would need a supreme court that respected the Constitution. They would have to acknowledge that much of what our federal government does is beyond the clear limits placed on it by the Constitution.
Then many of the federal programs would need to be farmed out to the states or canned outright. This monster that has all of us and our dependents by the throat was put together piece by piece and it will need to be dismanted the same way.
Instead, we have the speaker of the House, when asked where does the Constitution grant the power to the federal government to REQUIRE that citizens purchase anything, she dismisses the question by replying “Are you serious? Are you serious?”. What arrogance!
Later, her press secretary stated that Congress has the power to require you to make a purchase because of the power to "regulate interstate commerce".
Can anybody with a scrap of common sense tell me how the ability to "regulate insterstate commerce" can be used to force a private citizen to make a purchase that they do not want to make?
If "regulating interstate commerce" gives them that ability, what is next? WHERE DOES THEIR POWER END?
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... just kidding... but, if you dont got no green card and dont pay no taxes then here it is, you aint gotta go home but you gotta get the h^&% out of here 
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