Shale oil

[roofeditor]

Hey Smokey, you mentioned the difficulty of extracting oil from shale oil and I did some research.

We probably have 2-3 TRILLION barrels of oil Right here and this is several times more oil than the entire M.E.

Extracting it does present challenges.

Porosities in the Bakken average about 5%, and permeabilities are very low, averaging 0.04 millidarcies—much lower than typical oil reservoirs.[4] However, the presence of horizontal fractures makes the Bakken an excellent candidate for horizontal drilling techniques in which a well drills along the extent of the rock layer, rather than punching a hole vertically through it. In this way, many thousands of feet of oil reservoir rock can be penetrated in a unit that reaches a maximum thickness of only about 140 feet (40 m).

Here is an alternate view!!! From the people controlling congress right now!

The Wilderness Society's Views on Oil and Gas Drilling and Gasoline Prices


new technology


But a new technology has emerged that may begin to tap the oil shale's potential. Royal Dutch Shell, in fact, has
recently completed a demonstration project (The Mahogany Ridge project) in which it produced 1,400 barrels of oil
from shale in the ground, without mining the shale at all.

Instead, Shell utilized a process called "in situ" mining, which heats the shale while it's still in the ground, to
the point where the oil leaches from the rock. Shell's Terry O'Connor described the breakthrough in testimony
before Congress earlier this summer (And Congress may have an acute interest in the topic, since the U.S. government
controls 72% of all U.S. oil shale acreage):

"Some 23 years ago, Shell commenced laboratory and field research on a promising in ground conversion and recovery process. This technology is called the In-situ Conversion Process, or ICP. In 1996, Shell successfully carried out its first small field test on its privately owned Mahogany property in Rio Blanco County, Colorado some 200 miles west of Denver. Since then, Shell has carried out four additional related field tests at nearby sites. The most recent test was carried out over the past several months and produced in excess of 1,400 barrels of light oil plus associated gas from a very small test plot using the ICP technology…

Oil from stone - Oct. 31, 2007

US Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources

http://abrandt.berkeley.edu/shale/Br...quid_fuels.pdf

http://abrandt.berkeley.edu/shale/Br...quid_fuels.pdf

Some good reading!

[UTAH]

Originally Posted by roofeditor

Here is an alternate view!!! From the people controlling congress right now!

The Wilderness Society's Views on Oil and Gas Drilling and Gasoline Prices

The Wilderness Society controls Congress? If that organization does that, as you claim, there'd be no drilling at all on DoI/BLM land and none of the shale pilot projects would even be happening. We're doing major research work with oil shale on BLM land here in Utah - all against Wilderness Society stances. If they control Congress, how is that possible?

Bill

[clamgulch]

Environmental groups resort to lobbying and sucking up to the EPA. We the people have to overwhelm congess with hand written, registered letters with return receipts and tell them that if they don't make changes to the laws and kick the EPA in the tookus, we will dump them straight out of office in how we vote. Tell them there IS NO OTHER PRIORITY FOR THEM TO FOCUS ON. Tell them that oil is more practical than gold right now and as long as we can produce it, the central banks can't destroy us with inflation. Remind them that our national security and sovereignty is at stake. Send them links by e-mail to government reports on oil supplies. What Roof is saying about oil shale is EXACTLY what I said two months ago- That's an improvement over being a lone voice that nobody listens to....

"But my senator doesn't listen to me...blah, blah, blah." Horse apples- cry me a river...then buy some stationary.

My senator (Patty Murray), reads what I write to her and she gets out and acts on it, so much so that it's SHOCKING to me! I raised hell with her 3 or 4 times about veterans' suicide rates, untreated PTSD, and their health care benefits- and I'll tell you, she has called for the head of the VA on a platter and demanded substantial changes right down the line with what I brought to her attention. So writing works, and I suggest everyone do it.

Years ago, it was determined that oil from shale is viable at $44/barrel by using STEAM to leech the oil from the shale, so tell congress to bust Canada's nutz until they build the natural gas pipeline from Prudehoe Bay to the US Midwest-at a reasonable price and straight to the North Dakota/Montana border. In lieu of paying them in our near worthless currency, pay them in natural gas, because 3/2 of that shale oil field extends WAY into Canada. I suspect there is more than enough gas at the north slope for both countries to use it for oil extraction, and maybe even have leftovers to sell commercially.

[checkthisout]

Originally Posted by clamgulch

Environmental groups resort to lobbying and sucking up to the EPA. We the people have to overwhelm congess with hand written, registered letters with return receipts and tell them that if they don't make changes to the laws and kick the EPA in the tookus, we will dump them straight out of office in how we vote. Tell them there IS NO OTHER PRIORITY FOR THEM TO FOCUS ON. Tell them that oil is more practical than gold right now and as long as we can produce it, the central banks can't destroy us with inflation. Remind them that our national security and sovereignty is at stake. Send them links by e-mail to government reports on oil supplies. What Roof is saying about oil shale is EXACTLY what I said two months ago- That's an improvement over being a lone voice that nobody listens to....

"But my senator doesn't listen to me...blah, blah, blah." Horse apples- cry me a river...then buy some stationary.

My senator (Patty Murray), reads what I write to her and she gets out and acts on it, so much so that it's SHOCKING to me! I raised hell with her 3 or 4 times about veterans' suicide rates, untreated PTSD, and their health care benefits- and I'll tell you, she has called for the head of the VA on a platter and demanded substantial changes right down the line with what I brought to her attention. So writing works, and I suggest everyone do it.

Years ago, it was determined that oil from shale is viable at $44/barrel by using STEAM to leech the oil from the shale, so tell congress to bust Canada's nutz until they build the natural gas pipeline from Prudehoe Bay to the US Midwest-at a reasonable price and straight to the North Dakota/Montana border. In lieu of paying them in our near worthless currency, pay them in natural gas, because 3/2 of that shale oil field extends WAY into Canada. I suspect there is more than enough gas at the north slope for both countries to use it for oil extraction, and maybe even have leftovers to sell commercially.

Natural gas is probably a more practical option right now for Pete's sake.

We still pump it back into the ground or release it into the atmosphere through flaring or raw releases!!

[JoeVacs]

We also have more coal than the middle east has oil, and the Airforce is already using coal to oil technology to fuel their jets. We need to get the green freaks out of the way and get some oil rolling again!

[roofeditor]

Originally Posted by UTAH

The Wilderness Society controls Congress? If that organization does that, as you claim, there'd be no drilling at all on DoI/BLM land and none of the shale pilot projects would even be happening. We're doing major research work with oil shale on BLM land here in Utah - all against Wilderness Society stances. If they control Congress, how is that possible?

Bill

Well controls might overstate slightly......how about hinders? As my conspiracy theory expert clam says Environmental groups resort to lobbying and sucking up to the EPA.

Will you not concede that behind the scenes, these groups are basically threatening the more liberal congress members to not cross them?

To those that parrot "it will take 10 years" "it won't lower the price of oil one dollar" I say BS......nice spin!

Gas went up $1.60 since the Pelosi/Reed/Democrats took CHARGE top show the Republicans how to do it..

Now my good friend MackE-7 would claim it's supply and demand only. Sorry Mack I'm going to use you a little here to make a point. If is were ONLY supply and demand then demand must have gone up 40% since Pelosi/Reed and Move-on.org took over.

Fuelish Democrats

Assuming demand did NOT go up 40%, what happened? Well........once Pelosi/Reed took CHARGE the PERCEPTION was that they, being prompted by by the radical environmental groups would block everything INCLUDING alternative energy.

They have, as PERCEIVED and the prices have risen accordingly.

How have they blocked? well glad you asked.

1. They have blocked ALL solar installations on Federal property, for 2 years until a study has been done on the possible environmental impact of SOLAR POWER. So while Obama and friends are saying Solar and Wind, Pelosi and Reed are blocking the installation of large solar installations for 2 years. I'm in the solar business and this I'm SURE OF!!!

2. In December 2008 (coming very soon) the (ITC) (Investment Tax Credit) expires. EVERY attempt to extend or renew the ITC has been blocked by Pelosi/Reed. Without the ITC alternative energy is not viable.

3. Nuclear power applications being blocked? How about 23 applications for 34 reactors. again Pelosi and Reed hard at work!
http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-lice...plications.pdf

4. Blocking coal our most abundant power!

In a report compiled in early 2007, the U.S. Department of Energy listed 151 coal-fired power plants in the planning stages and talked about a resurgence in coal-fired electricity. But during 2007, 59 proposed U.S. coal-fired power plants were either refused licenses by state governments or quietly abandoned. In addition to the 59 plants that were dropped, close to 50 more coal plants are being contested in the courts, and the remaining plants will likely be challenged as they reach the permitting stage.

February 14, 2008: U.S. Moving Toward Ban on New Coal-Fired Power Plants

COAL MORATORIUM NOW!

Dirty Coal Power - Clean Air - Sierra Club

5. Blocking new refineries! New South Dakota Oil Refinery One Step Closer to Reality : Gas 2.0

Oil refinery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even when the voters want it!!!


Sorry but we do have groups blocking of hindering ALL progress EVEN SOLAR and WIND.

even Alternative advocate Ted Kennedy doesn't want alternative energy in HIS BACK YARD!

Ted Kennedy Wants Windmills Killed

The source of unhappiness is Kennedy's efforts to kill an offshore wind farm on Nantucket Sound. Cape Wind was to be the first such project in the United States and a source of pride to environmentally minded New Englanders. Polls show 84 percent of Massachusetts residents in favor. But now it appears that America's first offshore wind farm will be near Galveston, Texas.

Proposed the month before Sept. 11, 2001, Cape Wind remains in limbo. It's been frustrated at every turn by a handful of yachtsmen, Kennedy included, who don't want to see windmills from their verandas. Many millions have been spent spreading disinformation and smearing the wind farm's supporters.

The towers would be at least five miles out and barely visible from shore on the clearest day, but the summer plutocrats resent any intrusion on their waterfront vistas -- and, equally, any challenge to the notion that they control everything.

"But don't you realize -- that's where I sail!" may stand as Kennedy's most self-incriminating quote.


This VERY second Al Gore is on Meet the Press disparaging Boone Pickens plan of using natural gas as a bridge gap. He says we should scrap that idea and go to electric powered TRUCKS!!!!! And Tom Brokaw says nothing!!!

Nothing!!! If a 18 wheeler were to be powered by batteries ONLY the entire truck would be batteries and the load capacity would be ZERO.

Gore spouts nonsense and Brokaw sits there patting him on the back.

Sorry Bill.........the environmentalists ARE controlling congress AND the press is the cheerleader!

[checkthisout]

They are people using the "Environmental Movement" as a way to artificially restrict the supply of Energy in order to keep prices higher.

Take a peak at the tax forms of a company called "Environmental Defense" to see who the "Donors" are that are contributing to these guys.

Look at the Donor list for those contributing to "Climate Change" research at Stanford.

The Companies are Tax Shelter organizations who's huge and building assets will be used to purchase and retire Carbon Credits.

Al Gore's Hedge Fund is positioned to profit strongly from complete deindustrialization of the United States.

[checkthisout]

A heavy contributor to Evironmental Defense http://http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=9976the Funder for FightGlobalWarming.Com is the Overbrook Foundation.

Check out Overbrook's 926 form in this link and Google some of the names.

http://www.overbrook.org/guidestar/T...990PF_2006.pdf


Horizon Capital: Investing in Emerging Europe

ErgoPack gave 2 million dollars and the company is based in Russia? ***?

Then look at who they "donate" to.

Eat your heart out Clam.

[checkthisout]

Bloomberg.com: Worldwide






You think Al Gore based in his firm in London so he could avoid U.S. public scrutiny of his assets?

What a Jerk!

[UTAH]

Originally Posted by roofeditor

Sorry Bill.........the environmentalists ARE controlling congress AND the press is the cheerleader!

The more I think about it, Richard - the more I hope you're right and that I'm wrong. For, if the Greens truly do control Congress and the press, we're almost there. If you're right, we'll see the Green agenda strongly advanced in this country. Frankly, I think it's about time. I look forward to that as I think it's necessary and prudent to be better stewards of our planet.

Bill

[Brian_C]

I just love all the boogers...I mean greenies that think man is so damn powerful. Mother nature herself has destroyed more land, plants & animals, and spewed more crap into the air than anything man could hope to do. Man has never caused mass extinctions. Man has never lowered the temperature of the earth in a single event in one day. Man has never changed the earth's topography.

When it's all said and done, the earth will shake us off like a water drop off a duck's back. In the mean time, man will suffer greatly due to the arrogance of a few. Our economy, and most of the world is already feeling it.

It wouldn't be so bad if not for the hypocrisy of the green boogers. They spout off about what I should do to stop man-made greenhouse gases (a complete fabrication of why there is global warming) and save the planet, while they fly around in private jets to their feel good, self serving functions...and living in their mansions with huge carbon footprints.

If the green sob's take control, the US is doomed to decline back to a 3rd World economy. But I'll be laughing when they've killed the internal combustion engine and I see them going down the road in a horse drawn carriage. Because only then will they get back what they're giving....Horse Sh!t.

[roofeditor]

Originally Posted by UTAH

The more I think about it, Richard - the more I hope you're right and that I'm wrong. For, if the Greens truly do control Congress and the press, we're almost there. If you're right, we'll see the Green agenda strongly advanced in this country. Frankly, I think it's about time. I look forward to that as I think it's necessary and prudent to be better stewards of our planet.

Bill

You're kidding?


You want crazy people with ZERO plan in charge?

1. They have blocked ALL solar installations on Federal property, for 2 years until a study has been done on the possible environmental impact of SOLAR POWER. So while Obama and friends are saying Solar and Wind, Pelosi and Reed are blocking the installation of large solar installations for 2 years. I'm in the solar business and this I'm SURE OF!!!

2. In December 2008 (coming very soon) the (ITC) (Investment Tax Credit) expires. EVERY attempt to extend or renew the ITC has been blocked by Pelosi/Reed. Without the ITC alternative energy is not viable.

Previous to Pelosi/Reed coming in charge solar and Wind was progressing rapidly, now the Greens are pressuring the Dems to stop going forward with Solar and Wind.

If not Wind, or solar, or oil, or coal, or nuclear WHAT? Ya can't power your F-350 with doobers!

Said it before and many think I'm joking, Replace ever person in the EPA that went to Berkeley with ones that went to MIT and tremendous progress will happen.

[UTAH]

Sure... why not, Richard. If you're going to claim the Greens are now in control of Congress, I'll bite and wish them well. You're the one who said they're in charge - not me. If you're that willing to admit defeat, we'll just give the win to the Greens. They're either in charge or not, which is it?

Heck, I'm not against energy development. I've made that clear in my past posts. I think we can do both - develop energy resources AND protect the environment. We've got the technology and the competency to pull it off.

I'm just reacting to your silly claim that the environmentalists are in charge of Congress. Sure, they influence Congress (as do many groups) but to ascribe to them the kind of power you do is reactionary and undeserved.

Bill

[roofeditor]

Originally Posted by UTAH

Sure... why not, Richard. If you're going to claim the Greens are now in control of Congress, I'll bite and wish them well. You're the one who said they're in charge - not me. If you're that willing to admit defeat, we'll just give the win to the Greens. They're either in charge or not, which is it?
Bill

Pelosi/Reed got in charge the greens exerted a lot of force but it was resisted, now it is not, they follow lock step.

Here I am trying to do the alternative energy and now I'm getting resistance from congress that is silly. A 2 year study to see if solar power has a negative environmental effect? Taking away the ITC?

When they were not in charge they pushed the Bush administration to look at solar and wind, not they are in charge they are blocking it. I'm in both business and I know blocking when it see it.

I put it back to you.

They're either in charge or not, which is it?[/

As my old boss George Steinbrenner said (plaque on his desk) lead, follow or get the fu-k out of my way!!!!

I was on FOX news two Saturdays ago talking about just this.

I still say too many doobers!!!!

[UTAH]

Originally Posted by roofeditor

Pelosi/Reed got in charge the greens exerted a lot of force but it was resisted, now it is not, they follow lock step.

Hmmm... so why the need to discuss options? If the Wilderness Society controls Congress as you claim, then that's all we need to know. All of their agenda items will be achieved. There's no need for you or anybody else to even weigh in on the subject.

You've abdicated and handed the Greens the win. That's noble of you. And, as noted - I applaud that.

This is good stuff. I'll be sure to chime in on our future environmental discussions to ask, "Why the discussion? According to our resident expert, the Greens control Congress - so the Green agenda is a done deal. There's nothing we can do."

For me, I'll continue to seek more balance and input from all concerned groups about our environmental policy. We're all in this together as part of a Democracy. I'm not declaring defeat and giving the win that easily to the opposition.

Bill