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"City officials told Local 4 that Detroit was granted $15 million to help residents pay bills and their rent or find temporary housing for the homeless."
Folks lined up by the thousands to try and receive money they thought the city was going to give them. It is a sad state of affairs when folks who used to work for a living have to line up for non-existing money. So many are out of work and these big cities, and small cities also, and the stimulus money goes into the big pockets. What happened to those "shovel ready" jobs every politician was talking about?
There are solutions where the state can use this money to help business provide jobs for the jobless, but nothing ever seems to get done. Why is that?
Why is it that we are talking about mandatory health insurance payments when folks are out of work? Why is it that we are talking about "cap and trade" when it will increase taxes are reduce job opportunities for the unemployed? Why are we talking about $45,000 electric cars when folks don't have enough money to buy gas for their regular cars so they can look for work?
"City officials told Local 4 that Detroit was granted $15 million to help residents pay bills and their rent or find temporary housing for the homeless."
Folks lined up by the thousands to try and receive money they thought the city was going to give them. It is a sad state of affairs when folks who used to work for a living have to line up for non-existing money. So many are out of work and these big cities, and small cities also, and the stimulus money goes into the big pockets. What happened to those "shovel ready" jobs every politician was talking about?
There are solutions where the state can use this money to help business provide jobs for the jobless, but nothing ever seems to get done. Why is that?
Why is it that we are talking about mandatory health insurance payments when folks are out of work? Why is it that we are talking about "cap and trade" when it will increase taxes are reduce job opportunities for the unemployed? Why are we talking about $45,000 electric cars when folks don't have enough money to buy gas for their regular cars so they can look for work?
Good question!
What are you going to do about it?
Don't forget the war. That takes away a lot of resources that could otherwise be used to invest in productive enterprise here.
Last edited by checkthisout; 10-07-2009 at 06:56 PM.
Welcome to Obamanomics and the Pelosi, Reid train to socialist hell.
Well no, "fascism light".
The "Free Trade" chickens have come home to roost. The tab we racked up buying stuff from other countries instead of building it here has finally come due.
What am I going to do about it? 2010 in just around the corner, unfortunately we need a whole new roster of candidates. The current ones are all polluted.
What am I going to do about it? 2010 in just around the corner, unfortunately we need a whole new roster of candidates. The current ones are all polluted.
Yup, at least around 90% of them.
Honestly, I think politicians look down on other politicians when they aren't spewing a line of B.S. Being honest with the voters and looking out for their best interests will actually get you laughed at in Washington.
Both sides of the aisle are merely two different Mafias competing for control.
Why is it that we are talking about mandatory health insurance payments when folks are out of work?
Because insurance corporation cartels are finding it difficult to squeeze any more blood from us turnips any other way, and they have bought many seats in Congress
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Why is it that we are talking about "cap and trade" when it will increase taxes are reduce job opportunities for the unemployed?
Cap & Trade won't increase taxes. It will increase the percentage of fuel costs which go to carbon-trading brokers.
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Originally Posted by grassfarmer
Why are we talking about $45,000 electric cars when folks don't have enough money to buy gas for their regular cars so they can look for work?
In the wonderful world of duplicitous Washington feel-good legislation, a car company can earn CAFE credits for the mere existence of 40-mile extended-range electric vehicles, credits which enable them to build more gas hogs.
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What am I going to do about it? 2010 in just around the corner, unfortunately we need a whole new roster of candidates. The current ones are all polluted.
Numerous people have identified the problem (Congress is owned by corporate contributions, soft money, lobbyist money and special interest money) and the solution. (get that kind of money out of politics, forming an entirely new political party if need be)
Green Party candidates do not accept corporate contributions, soft money, lobbyist money or special interest money. By not accepting any of that money, they won't be beholden to corporate contributors, party bosses, lobbyists or special interests once elected.
Unfortunately, voters get hung up on "inexperience" or "electability" and select the same old corrupt parties again, then complain again that they're corrupt.
If you want different results, you have to try something different. We really have only ourselves to blame.
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Douglas Campbell, P.E.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
Green Party candidates do not accept corporate contributions, soft money, lobbyist money or special interest money. By not accepting any of that money, they won't be beholden to corporate contributors, party bosses, lobbyists or special interests once elected.
In a perfect world where people did what they promised, this would be great.
Expecting that somebody will be immune from the temptations from lobbyists and special interest groups is unrealistic.
Being a part of the D, R or Green party doesn't change human nature and I do not believe that the special interests will not find a way to channel their money and influence to anybody and everybody with power.
The reality that we've seen over and over is that yesterday's candidate that promised "the most open and ethical administration ever" is today's scoundrel.
The answer is to reduce the power and influence of government. If politicians are unable to exert power in a given area, there is no reason for special interests to pursue their influence.
The 10th Amendment, if honored, would take care of this problem.
I'm not talking about temptation; I'm talking about actual, verifiable cash transfers, which Green Party candidates don't accept from corporations, party bosses, lobbyists or special interests.
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Douglas Campbell, P.E.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
Well, I took your advice and used the Green Party link you provided and I read the following on their web site: Ten Key Values of the Green Party. Somehow they sound very familiar, like something left over from the last election campaign. I am still waiting for those promises to bear fruit, are you?
I agree a whole new political approach is necessary. I also believe that a third party will always be defeated until the majority of the American public gets fed up with the status quo.
I'm not talking about temptation; I'm talking about actual, verifiable cash transfers, which Green Party candidates don't accept from corporations, party bosses, lobbyists or special interests.
That's a good start but I just don't believe claims of any group that they will be immune to lobbyists and special interests. Close down the above the table payoffs and folks will get more creative with the below the table options.
I like some of the planks in the Green Party platform, but honestly, they're not going to be the party that gets us out of this mess. I can't imagine that they will ever be able to shed the image of being left wing kooks.
In the last presidential election, the Green Party candidate brought in (rounding to the nearest integer) ZERO PERCENT* of the vote! A clean sweep! No, hang on a sec. Maybe I have that backwards... jk
(*actual percentage was 0.12%. No, not twelve percent, but twelve one hundredths of one percent)
The answer is to reduce the power and influence of government.
Not really. All that is of interest to the general welfare of society shall be in it's proper order in submission to the people's government.
The problem is that deregulation allowed these companies and people to operate outside the control of government and thus work for their own self-serving interests rather than in the interests of the majority of the people.
In the last presidential election, the Green Party candidate brought in ZERO PERCENT* of the vote!
That's more a comment on the electorate than on the Green Party.
The voters were more than ready for change and mesmerized by the Democratic [sic] Party into thinking we'd get it from them.
Fool me once ...
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Douglas Campbell, P.E.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
All that is of interest to the general welfare of society shall be in it's proper order in submission to the people's government.
That's quite a quote. Can you give a reference to any founding document that states that our interests should be placed under submission to the people's government?
The problem is that deregulation allowed these companies and people to operate outside the control of government and thus work for their own self-serving interests rather than in the interests of the majority of the people.
One could easily make the claim that a good chunk of our current mess resulted from too much, rather than too little regulation. The government created a moral hazard by promising to back up questionable mortgages and flat out pressured lenders to lower their lending standards. This created a situation where there was no downside to the risky loans that went under but big gains to be earned for the risky loans that managed to make the payments (at higher rates than a preferred customer would pay). No wonder the lenders did things that in hindsight look risky and foolish. Now the taxpayer is going to have to clean up the mess.
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