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Old 01-29-2009, 06:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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That's the national average.

It's a lot worse in the county I live in

California LaborMarketInfo, The Economy=

We are only at 13%. Colusa county is at 21%

cbs13.com - Unemployment Fears, EDD May Be Out Of Money Monday

When will it end??
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It's a lot worse in the county I live in

California LaborMarketInfo, The Economy=

We are only at 13%. Colusa county is at 21%

cbs13.com - Unemployment Fears, EDD May Be Out Of Money Monday

When will it end??
Is going on in Colusa county?
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The United States Unemployment Rate By Year
That's a pretty interesting graph.

Johnson inherited high unemployment from Kennedy and brought it down.

Nixon inherited low unemployment and let it get a little higher but, it basically stayed the same.

Ford let it get pretty darn high.

Carter (who everyone says is the worst POTUS in the 20th Century) actually kept it below Ford and all but 3 years of Reagan.

Reagan finally gets it under control only to have Bush 1 let it slide back up.

Clinton shows a steady and significant decline for his entire 8 years in office.

Dubya inherits a low unemployment and then it waxes and wains under his 8 years.

I guess the conclusion that can be drawn (from only the unemployment rate) is that one particular party has been better at keeping it low for the last 40 years than the other one.
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I would guess a whole lot of NOTHIN

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I guess the conclusion that can be drawn (from only the unemployment rate) is that one particular party has been better at keeping it low for the last 40 years than the other one.
A more informative chart is this one: The United States Unemployment Rate

It shows the trend of the unemployment rate instead of the average for the year. It gives a clearer picture of which way the rate was going. Draw your own conclusions.
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That's a pretty interesting graph.

Johnson inherited high unemployment from Kennedy and brought it down.

Nixon inherited low unemployment and let it get a little higher but, it basically stayed the same.

Ford let it get pretty darn high.

Carter (who everyone says is the worst POTUS in the 20th Century) actually kept it below Ford and all but 3 years of Reagan.

Reagan finally gets it under control only to have Bush 1 let it slide back up.

Clinton shows a steady and significant decline for his entire 8 years in office.

Dubya inherits a low unemployment and then it waxes and wains under his 8 years.

I guess the conclusion that can be drawn (from only the unemployment rate) is that one particular party has been better at keeping it low for the last 40 years than the other one.

The old (D) did it or (R) did it and another thread soon to be locked. Give it a rest will ya.
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Americans receiving jobless benefits hits record: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

NYC Mayor To Announce $1 Billion In Cuts, Job Losses On Friday - wcbstv.com

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Are you with Obama or Rush? - Jonathan Martin - Politico.com


So can the government basically use taxpayers money to buy back jobs?

And is a "JOB" working for the government that takes someone off unemployment but paid for by eventual higher taxes really a job?

I say it is a job sort of but sort of like me going to the bank and taking a second mortgage on one of my homes, then hiring some guys I really don't need with the mortgage money. It will work for a while but then what? Who pays the new mortgage money payment?

I miss the theory?
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... Ford let it get pretty darn high.

Carter (who everyone says is the worst POTUS in the 20th Century) actually kept it below Ford and all but 3 years of Reagan.

Reagan finally gets it under control only to have Bush 1 let it slide back up. ...
Ford took office right after the October 1973 OPEC oil embargo. With oil going from $3 to $30 and an unprecedented number of dollars leaving the country, (we were still paying for the siege of Viet Nam) the economy couldn't help but tank.

Jimmy Carter declared that energy independence is essential not only for economic prosperity but also national security, as the quest for oil was already leading the US into unsavory deals with even more unsavory people.
Too bad only a handful of Americans were listening.

Reagan's numbers don't reflect fewer people being unemployed nearly as much as they reflect new methods of counting them. Under Reagan, the BLS began not counting some unemployed people as unemployed. When a person's state unemployment benefits were cut off, he was declared no longer unemployed regardless of his circumstances.
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Neither.

Obama has yet to show that his way will work (albeit I have hope) but, Limpbaugh is total moron.

Sure, every once in a while he says something that makes sense but.............he is basically an entertainer that will lead his party into oblivion for many years to come.
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Neither.

Obama has yet to show that his way will work (albeit I have hope) but, Limbaugh is total moron.

Sure, every once in a while he says something that makes sense but.............he is basically an entertainer that will lead his party into oblivion for many years to come.
That's objective!

Read here and say what you think is moronic.

Rush Limbaugh: My Bipartisan Stimulus - WSJ.com

Keynesian economists believe government spending on "shovel-ready" infrastructure projects -- schools, roads, bridges -- is the best way to stimulate our staggering economy.

Supply-side economists make an equally persuasive case that tax cuts are the surest and quickest way to create permanent jobs and cause an economy to rebound. That happened under JFK, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. We know that when tax rates are cut in a recession, it brings an economy back.

Recent polling indicates that the American people are in favor of both approaches.


Obama Is Stoking Racial Antagonism - WSJ.com

Although one may respectfully not agree, the above WSJ articles are hardly moronic, they appear the contrary quite articulate.
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I think that Harry Reid is the most moronic individual that I have ever heard, with Nancy Pelosi not far behind.
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Although one may respectfully not agree, the above WSJ articles are hardly moronic, they appear the contrary quite articulate.
Show me definitive proof that "trickle down economics" (also called "voodoo economics" by Bush 1) have actually made that big of an impact.............ever. As soon as you trot out your "professional opinions," I'll trot out those that disagree. The reason they won't work now is because most companies are in deep trouble and anything they save on the tax side will be used (just like the financial community) to either increase their cash reserves, give bonuses, pad income or to boost their stock for shareholders. As someone else said, business' don't need tax breaks..............they need customers. And no, I don't think a personal income tax "break" will all of a sudden make people think they are rich again. The orgy of spending that we just went through was spurred primarily by excess cash due to the easy refinancing of homes. You're not gonna see that happen again anytime soon.

The reason I think Limpbaugh is a "moron" is because he refuses to give anyone with a dissenting view one iota of credit or recognition. It is always his way or nothing. And he is a two trick pony. Tax cuts and deregulation are all he talks about.

Well guess what? Deregulation is a BIG reason we're in the mess we see now.

Another big question. Why does Limpbaugh refuse to ever debate someone from the other end of the political spectrum? Why must he always stand on his own bully pulpit with one hand on the telephone flash-hook?

Think about it.
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That's objective!

Read here and say what you think is moronic.

Rush Limbaugh: My Bipartisan Stimulus - WSJ.com

Keynesian economists believe government spending on "shovel-ready" infrastructure projects -- schools, roads, bridges -- is the best way to stimulate our staggering economy.

Supply-side economists make an equally persuasive case that tax cuts are the surest and quickest way to create permanent jobs and cause an economy to rebound. That happened under JFK, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. We know that when tax rates are cut in a recession, it brings an economy back.

Recent polling indicates that the American people are in favor of both approaches.


Obama Is Stoking Racial Antagonism - WSJ.com

Although one may respectfully not agree, the above WSJ articles are hardly moronic, they appear the contrary quite articulate.

Tax cuts and "stimulus" don't bring our jobs back from overseas.

A nice economic boom was created by letting people with low incomes have money through lax credit rules.

Why not take a different approach and actually get them jobs back that pay well?
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Show me definitive proof that "trickle down economics" (also called "voodoo economics" by Bush 1) have actually made that big of an impact.............ever. As soon as you trot out your "professional opinions," I'll trot out those that disagree. The reason they won't work now is because most companies are in deep trouble and anything they save on the tax side will be used (just like the financial community) to either increase their cash reserves, give bonuses, pad income or to boost their stock for shareholders. As someone else said, business' don't need tax breaks..............they need customers. And no, I don't think a personal income tax "break" will all of a sudden make people think they are rich again. The orgy of spending that we just went through was spurred primarily by excess cash due to the easy refinancing of homes. You're not gonna see that happen again anytime soon.

The reason I think Limpbaugh is a "moron" is because he refuses to give anyone with a dissenting view one iota of credit or recognition. It is always his way or nothing. And he is a two trick pony. Tax cuts and deregulation are all he talks about.

Well guess what? Deregulation is a BIG reason we're in the mess we see now.

Another big question. Why does Limpbaugh refuse to ever debate someone from the other end of the political spectrum? Why must he always stand on his own bully pulpit with one hand on the telephone flash-hook?

Think about it.
Makes what point? Actually you have quite a bit in common with Rush.
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