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Why do these threads always deteriorate into blaming one or more governments and or speculators, conspiracy, etc. Why don't we start taking personal responsibility and discussing novel things like conservation ?
You're trying to interfere with my God given right as an arrogant American to do any damn thing I want..........including polluting the planet and using up its resources as fast as my 4WD truck, 4-wheeler, bass boat and motor home will let me.
You're trying to interfere with my God given right as an arrogant American to do any damn thing I want..........including polluting the planet and using up its resources as fast as my 4WD truck, 4-wheeler, bass boat and motor home will let me.
Are you still hanging on to the f-350/5th/wheel in this day and age?
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I did a little calculating recently and based on current diesel prices my 18 month search in lowering my handicap and seeing the country would have cost around $24K............................in just fuel!!
However............in spite of some people's desire to the contrary............the diet doesn't need to consist of 4,000 calories a day.
You can thrive on 2,000 calories a day.
In other words, most people who drive an 18 mpg vehicle for primary transportation don't really need to.
Let me repeat myself.
Some need more than others. Some waste food others don't. But does the fact that you need to eat make you an addict?
Maybe the government should design a custom diet for each of us, specific to what they determine to be our individual needs and punish us for not following it. Do you see where this leads?
Don't really need to? I have driven a toyota tacoma and got by, until I could afford an f250. Some idiot on 395 decided to pass illegally. My wife ran the truck off the road probably saving his life. The truck was totalled, and when it came to a stop upside down, we both crawled out on our own and were home from the ER 5 hours later. Since it was a rollover and not a head on the air bags didn't inflate, this was purely a matter of vehicle size that saved us. I have no doubt that had I been in the Tacoma that one of us would be dead or more seroiusly injured for life or pinned in hte truck for the 55 minutes it took emergency services to get there.
I will always drive the biggest vehicle I can afford. At some point I may decide that I can not afford to run a crew cab dually. This is MY decision, others would decide differently at different times, that is THIER decision.
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Why do these threads always deteriorate into blaming one or more governments and or speculators, conspiracy, etc. Why don't we start taking personal responsibility and discussing novel things like conservation ?
Fair question- If every single one of us who routinely contribute to the the discussions you are talking about did exactly what you suggest, the net results would be zero. Fuel would still be the same price, elected officials would still be crooks, people would still conspire to get rich through unacceptable, antisocial and illegal methods, and we would spend exactly the same amount on fuel as we do. Those that are on here *****ing are already doing what they can to cut expenses, and it's clearly not enough of they wouldn't be *****ing and blaming.
If you want to change the outcome, you will have to resort to exposing conspirators, place the blame where it belongs, and fuss until not only you but a lot of other people change the government's attitude of "status quo- I'm in charge, I'm getting paid $150k a year plus what lobbyists pay me, so why should I listen to my constituents?"
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Why do these threads always deteriorate into blaming one or more governments and or speculators, conspiracy, etc. Why don't we start taking personal responsibility and discussing novel things like conservation ?
Conservation is all well and good but without some other type of fuel to run our economy what are we to do in the mean time when high fuel prices and the bankrupt banking system are taking away the assets needed for change?
Using that line of reasoning, what you really need is a Brink's truck.
I said biggest I can afford.
What I have I can afford. I can afford 16mpg loaded, I can't afford 10. But thank you for proving that the only person who knows whats best for you is you.
Further if safety isn't a factor in deciding your needs, then Brinks should drop the use of armor!
And returning to the original post, how does evaluating my needs and acting accordingly make me the same as a crack addict?
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Transmission Just Rebuilt, Tugger Kit, Billet Converter, Steel Gear Sets, Larger Cooler
A vehicle is a necessity for many people. Maybe those living in a city with mass transportation don't need one. What we are encountering is that the solution that has been with us since the beginning and offered by the manufacturers is running into problems like global warming and restrictions bassed on that (whether or not it is flawed) and the fuel price going up. The model is no longer working for a lot of people. Half my community is a retirement village where golf carts are allowed in the streets. I have a diesel Gator with cab that would suit me fine for going into town provided the speed limits were 25mph but I am ot permitted to do so. I can run the Gator a long time between refills. Maybe the world would be better off with the death of the big automobile and truck. We wouldn't have to pave over a lot of land for parking lots. Just let me use my efficient vehicle on your roads.
I heard that traffic accidents were down because of the fuel prices. Do we really need 5000+ pounds of steel when modern technology can put acident avoidance systems in smaller cars and trucks.
So I guess we could go cold turkey, allow small electric or diesel vehicles on the road and junk the 5000 pound monsters. Remember the Eco-speedster Opel had with like 140+ mpg and a top speed over 140mph? So performance on interstates doesn't have to be done away with either.
Maybe ther best thing to happen is a meltdown that forces product changes and downsizing. Maybe the best solution is to do nothing about it (fuel prices), and let the marketplace react.
We all need an "INTERVENTION" to deal w/ our addiction.
Come November, I'm voting for T. Boone Pickens - he makes a lot of sense. When I hear from on oil man that we can't drill our way out of this situation - I listen.
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What I have I can afford. I can afford 16mpg loaded, I can't afford 10.
It isn't a matter of what a person "can afford." It's the fact that a finite resource is being depleted. I could easily "afford" 2 miles per gallon but, I wouldn't be doing my children and grandchildren justice by ignoring the fact that they will be the ones paying the price for my selfishness.
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But thank you for proving that the only person who knows whats best for you is you.
That's the beauty of being an American. You have the freedom of doing what you want (within the law of course). The other beauty of our system is the fact that I can express my own views.
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And returning to the original post, how does evaluating my needs and acting accordingly make me the same as a crack addict?
Because you don't really have a "need" for 16 mpg vehicle.
You have a "want".
And you're entitled to that want.
After all, your grandchildren will be better off if they ride bikes and walk to their destinations.
Using that line of reasoning, what you really need is a Brink's truck.
He probably would not have rolled over. PU's by physics alone are 10 times more likely to roll over than a car!
The illusion of safety in a PU is just that, other than a head on with another PU you are actually safer in a CAR with a 5 star crash rating.
Running head on into a immovable barrier you are safer in a Honda Accord than in a Peterbuilt Dump Truck.
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Too much junk/toys to mention, ever changing due to too getting bored too quickly. I need a 10 step program!
Want to call? I'm in the book. Want to argue....First explain the square root of negative one....lol
It isn't a matter of what a person "can afford." It's the fact that a finite resource is being depleted. I could easily "afford" 2 miles per gallon but, I wouldn't be doing my children and grandchildren justice by ignoring the fact that they will be the ones paying the price for my selfishness.
That's the beauty of being an American. You have the freedom of doing what you want (within the law of course). The other beauty of our system is the fact that I can express my own views.
Because you don't really have a "need" for 16 mpg vehicle.
You have a "want".
And you're entitled to that want.
After all, your grandchildren will be better off if they ride bikes and walk to their destinations.
Being the strong conservative Republican I am, I don't care for the government TELLING me I can't have a 10 mpg 4 x 4 BUT I strongly support the carrot and stick approach.
I have written congress on just such. Want a 10 mpg 4 x 4 (other than for real commercial NEED) you get to pay $1,000 a year fee! Want to drive a 25 mpg typical sedan you get Even Steven. Want to drive a 45 mpg Prius or VW TDI you get a $1,000 tax credit EACH YEAR.
The $1,000 a year fee goes to the $1,000 a year tax credit guys.
I spent about a month in Europe on business (and pleasure) recently. The world laughs at us driving F-150's, 250's, 350's as cars. Caddy Esclades and Suburbans or anything like that just don't exist.
France, Spain, Italy, England, drive what amounts to a civic with a small diesel that get 50-60 mpg. They have many cool cars that should come here NOW. Their version of a F-350 is a Dodge/Mercedes Sprinter with a cut-away pick up on back. Saw thousands of them. Renault also has one that looks the same.
In Barcelona, Rome, Paris, etc. Adults not kids drive scooters. In Rome there must have been million of them down town. Goof thing also because with city traffic in a car or truck you are going no place. Parking????? Right who needs parking?
A change HERE is long overdue!!!
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Too much junk/toys to mention, ever changing due to too getting bored too quickly. I need a 10 step program!
Want to call? I'm in the book. Want to argue....First explain the square root of negative one....lol
We all need an "INTERVENTION" to deal w/ our addiction.
Come November, I'm voting for T. Boone Pickens - he makes a lot of sense. When I hear from on oil man that we can't drill our way out of this situation - I listen.
butchcassidy1
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Too much junk/toys to mention, ever changing due to too getting bored too quickly. I need a 10 step program!
Want to call? I'm in the book. Want to argue....First explain the square root of negative one....lol
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