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Old 09-30-2001, 02:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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2002 F650/750?

So with the coming "Blue Diamond" trucks from Ford/International, will the 2002 F650/750 not be produced?
All the 2002 pricing/specs are out and readily available, except for the 2002 650/750. So I assume no more "Ford" 650/750????
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Old 09-30-2001, 08:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 2002 F650/750?

Charles: I have printed the 2002 order guides off of the fleet ford website. they do list the new tractor package but I still haven't seen an ad for them in any of the trade rags. . According to everrything I've read, Bluediamond won't have any protypes until the end of the year (2001) and then production starts toward end of next year. I'll check to see what latest update is tomorrow.
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Re: 2002 F650/750?

Thanks Bob,
Bobby from Sunrise Ford sent me the 2002 650/750 ordering guides and price list a few months ago, but I don't see the 2002 being added to Chrome Data's web site, only as a 2001 model. All the other 2002 Fords are in there, that makes me wonder if they are stopping the 2002 production.....there are plenty of 2000 and 2001 still for sale any ways from the looks of things around here at the dealers.
Let me know what you find.
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Re: 2002 F650/750?

Charles: For the past two days I have not been able to get the 750 order guide up on the Fleet.Ford web site. In any case, a friend of mine (GM of large Ford/Sterling ndealership) says - "order all the 650/750's you want". He also says the first Bluediamond 750 will be out as a 2004 model. As for the future, he still says the smart money is betting on Ford buying International out. He also said Ford is currently selling 466's in South America.
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Re: 2002 F650/750?

Red Horse,
Thanks for the information. The 466 would be nice.
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Re: 2002 F650/750?

I sure might be in the minority, but I don't
think Ford is going to buy IH. At least
not anytime soon. Here's why: I think
the no-compete clause with Freightliner lasts
until 2006 or 7. That might keep them from
buying a stake in IH. Second, I think,
though it appears to have been a stupid
move from our point of view, Ford really
wanted out of the class 8 business. Third,
the current agreements with IH give Ford
everything they could possibly want without
the headache of actually owning IH.
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Re: 2002 F650/750?

With IH and Ford's joint venture on the medium duties, what's the chance that IH will sell a pickup based on the Superduties?
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Re: 2002 F650/750?

L'ville: You might be right but consider this. Ford got out of 8's, not because they wanted to but because a few short term bean counters were able to make the case that they would get far greater utilizationn out of KTPbuilding 250-550's.- and at far greater profit per vehicle. Also keep in mind the one reason class 8 was so bad was because our old friend Hebe of Freightliner had been buying marketshare since 1990. Its tough to make a profit when your competitor is giving the store away.


As for the no compete- that is true. This won't happen until 2007. Keep inn mind, International was in very poor financial shape not too long ago. It will take deep pockets to stay in the business. The Bluediamond JV lets Ford continue to be a key player inn 6 and 7 (particularly 6) and also opens up International to 3-5. This will be done with Ford's engineering/production/marketing savy. Both win in terms of spreading their fixed costs over more units of production. Will some dealers on both sides be pissed? Yes, but lets face it, every time you turn around there is another jap or Korean truck on the market. This is survival.

Again, you may be right, but I would bet it goes this way. Also, as I have said before, I know people that were out at the NGT intro in Las Vegas which was just about the time Bluediamond was announced. The popular sentiment with the International dealers was that a total buyout was in the cards in '07. I hear the same from knowledgeable Ford/Sterling guys. Time will tell
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Jesse: While you won't see an F-150 based International, they have said right up front, there will be class 3-5 trucks. Again, I would bet those are Ford designed/based.
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Re: 2002 F650/750?

I just saw a full-page ad for the SuperCrewZer in the new Trailer Life. So I guess they're still selling them. (This is the first ad for the 650 SC I've seen in any RV mag -- interesting.)
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