Let's talk F-650 Super Crewzer

[agnem]

Well, this isn't my regular forum, and trucks like the ones you guys have are just dreams to me, but I have to admit - I saw a Supercrewzer at the last RV show I went to, and it was love at first sight. First truck I ever saw that reminded me of a giant Mustang in that red paint! Certainly looks cool to me. However, when I saw the $91,000 price tag there was no love lost. When you can go out and buy a regular full size tractor with a huge sleeper for the same money, and still have enough left over to bolt a decent camper to the back of it, there is something wrong. Ford has built a truck for the playboys. The oil field owners, or the philanthripists. All 300 of them. - Mel.

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Mel and Suzi's 83' F-250HD 4X4 "The Moose Truck" - Hypermax Turbo, GV overdrive, Banks Power pack, Dual Stacks, 35" tires. Winner, Best Equipped catagory, 1st annual FDR, VA. Photo Page 20 near the bottom.

[FL-Man]

Red Horse

The FL is OLD!

That is why I bought it. I could have had one of those NEW Fords just the same. But my NEW F-450 got towed to the shop 4 times in 10,000 miles. That was enough NEW for me. maybe if I were able to get an OLD pre-99 Ford Superduty I would still have it, and not have my OLD 2001 FL.

Wow! Just how technologically advanced could a pickup truck cab that was converted to a medium truck cab get. It puts my FL cab to shame

If the Louisville engineers dreamed up these low geared F-450 and 550s as well they ought to be fired. I like the old Ford/Sterling trucks, but the new ones need much help. That is probably why the same guy that builds Big Ben does not make Rolex's

I will continue to drive my ugly looking FL. It looks a lot like the old MBs. Sort of like over in Europe,priority is engineering, reliability, then looks. Over here it is just the opposite.

BTW, CMD1 is having a hard time getting something as simple, yet extremely as important as a fuel filter. Cummins just shipped me 4 oil and 2 fuel filters for $83.10 tax included. Ford is looking for more than $80 for 1 filter, that is not even available.

Sorry, I bought my truck for function first. If I want looks, I will buy a car.

Where did you get your stats from? I thought F-650 750 sales were dying a slow death? I must just be imaging that most tractors I see on the road are FL? I was talking about heavy trucks. The F-550 still falls into the pickup truck category IMO. Shares much of the same drivline with the 250.

Sales really do not bother me, you are the one always carrying on about how Ford had better do something. The FL50 to FL112 are practically the same truck, so it all adds up to one assembly line to build several classes of trucks.



[This message has been edited by FL-Man (edited 10-14-2000).]

[Red Horse]

FL Lighten up! I'm glad you feel so good about your FL 50. I'm just offering another opinion. As for the sales stats I quoted, they are out of the July issue of CCJ. And I just received the Oct. issue of Light & Medium Truck. They have 8 mos ytd sales class 3 (10,001 lbs. ) to class 7. Ford is number one at 95,377- adrop of 1% from 99, International is two at 46,710- virtually no change, GM/Chev is three at 31,292 a gain of 18 %, and FL is fourth at 29,085, a loss of 2%.
If you want to talk about class 8, you are correct- FL owns the market with 83791 units last year to Internationals 41,648. Are they that good? IMO, they have bought the market share. Talk to any dealer in the heavy business. There are literally THOUSANDS of late model FL 120's sitting in huge lots around the country. And Jim Hebe, FL's CEO is making speeches about how the used truck business has been ruined! Guess what- He ruined it! You can't discount 500 truck sales to contract carriers or outfits like J B Hunt and not raise hell in the market a few years down the road. As much as I hate Ford's current management, I hate to say that their decision to get out of class 8 was in part motivated by the predatory pricing of Freightliner. In my book, Freightliner has a long range strategy of waiting everyone else out. We will see. You live in Kingston? If you ever go across I-84 to Hartford, there is an FL dealer with about 200 NEW "large Cars". A Sterling dealer told me the guy had 400- I'm being conservative. Can you imagine what the floor plan costs on that many trucks would be? With DCX earnings in the ash can, it is a matter of time before someone puts a tough look on FL and then we will see how things shake out.

And as for my *****ing about Fords options, yes I do- remember I'm one of those loyalists. They do have a good truck, but if I have 15 oil trucks on cast wheels and I don't want to go to discs, I should be able to spec what I want. And it is their class 7 sales that are pitiful- in part because of their past specs. For example, in the Northeast, 33,000lb trucks are the norm for house to house fuel oil and propane bobtails. But, you need a 10/23 combo- not a 12/21 combo. Ford has finally announced a 10/23 combo.

Well enough rambling-again I apologize if you took offense to my comments. By the way, I checked your profile- HVAC? I assume you haul ductwork with your FL 50. That explains why you can live with 3:31 gears. Must be very fast but I assume it can smell a hill?

[FL-Man]

I am light. Believe me my F-450 looked pretty. The FL looks very utilitarian. Looks seem to be very important to you? You seem to be concerned about sales, Since all of the FLs that share my cab are built to individual specs. They are all pretty much the same truck.

Well, Ford has very little interest in trucks. They have a much lower profit margain. Ford seems to be commited to owning lots of automobile companies. That I why they suck at truck options.

Ductwork

Hardly, mostly lots of tools in a fullsize utility body. It has yet to see a hill that it will not do its top speed of 82 at. It will break traction if you are going up a steep hill at lower speeds, you can feel the side to side hop. The body used to be on the PSD with its 4.88 ratio. That was the truck you had to put your foot into before the hill. Nope, it has no problems with hills, just set the cruise and she holds her own.

[J.R. Ash]

Hey RedHorse

You are correct, I was not talking about a 330. The model they usually use is a 385.
Go to doonantruck.com and look under custom recreational trucks. Pretty nice stuff. With some of the prices I have heard quoted for the Supercrewzer It may not be that much more. Besides you can never have too much power, I want to be able to do 100%.
My personal preference is the 379-119 BBC.


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F350 James

[billymac24]

Does anybody know where i can find out the GCVW of my 2001 F650?

[whd507]

dang, you dug up an old thread... I remember it back then...

24-26,000? I dont remember. isnt it listed on the door sticker?

[Parts Jimmy]

Originally Posted by billymac24

Does anybody know where i can find out the GCVW of my 2001 F650?

PM me your VIN #.