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Old 12-02-2000, 12:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Alarms

What is the thought on the need for a car alarm. I also have an 97' Expedition, with no alarm, cause I thought that no one could steal it with the fancy key system. Guess not cause I just met a bank teller whose Expedition had been stolen.

So now I'm worried. I took advantage of the 0.9% financing on my 2000 PSD X and financed the whole wad. Add another $7,000 in goodies that I put on after delivery and you can see what a hole I'd be in if the thing got stolen and I had to by another one and pay a normal rate of interest on the loan

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Re: Alarms

Just picked my X up from a friend's house and he installed the Sidewinder 6500 ESP alarm/remote start. I basically bought it because it is a remote start with a cool down feature called valet mode. It just happened to have an alarm attached. He works as an installer at Best Buy and got me his cost which is $129. My total installed was $440 including the window modules that allow you to vent the windows for my dog along with a one touch up and down feature on all four windows. The best feature is the ability to control run time in one minute increments with the use of a bitwriter. This is nice since I will program my alarm to run for five minutes when I shut it off to cool it down. The remotes range is also alot better than stock.

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Old 12-03-2000, 10:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Alarms

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Huckster:
[B]Just picked my X up from a friend's house and he installed the Sidewinder 6500 ESP alarm/remote start.

Does that void your Ford electrical system warranty?
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Re: Alarms

danjon12,
It didn't void my warranty when the alarm pcm had a relay fail open and draw .5amps which took out both batteries, not only did the dealership troubleshoot the problem they warranteed both batteries. NOW that is good service. Now only if CARTOYS had the same customer service. I have been without my alarm almost longer than I was with it because they didn't have someone to send it in for warranty. Guess I will have to find someone else to install all the stereo gear necessary for the beast.
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Old 12-03-2000, 11:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have a Clifford 7000 alarm.As soon as you start the vehicle, all the doors lock. It can be programed to do it immediately, or at a certain RPM.It also has an anti-theft and hi-jacking set up that once you put the car in gear you have thirty seconds to enter your code.( I will admit that for years my .45 auto has successfully performed the anti-hijacking function) If you (or the thief) don't enter the proper code it will completely shut down and set off the alarm. They advertize that you don't need a system to locate the vehicle it it's stolen. You just wait 30 seconds and then walk down the street and get your vehicle. Some of their systems also have auto start, delayed shut down and also a feature that those of you in the cold country might appreciate. A thermostat that activates as soon as the temperature gets low enough and starts your car even when you are not around and then shuts down when the engine is warm. You can also add the idle down feature, which is my next addition The Mod. 7000 also provides the remote lock and unlock feature. If you should get out and forget to set the alarm, it will wait 60 seconds, and set itself. I reasearched alarms for awhile and this one is the best. Best news; the 7000 cost me $375.00 installed.
When I bought the Excursion they charged me $100 to remove it from the Exped. and add it to the Excur. It's worth a look.

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Old 12-04-2000, 07:20 AM   #6 (permalink)
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scotpart:
kflaig, Best news; the 7000 cost me $375.00 installed.
When I bought the Excursion they charged me $100 to remove it from the Exped. and add it to the Excur. It's worth a look.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>When I bought my X they warned me that addition of any afterpurchase alarm would void my electrical system warranty. Is the Clifford 7000 approved by your dealer?

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Voiding of a warranty really frosts me! When I took delivery of my X, the sales lady asked me if I wanted an alarm installed. I said no that I already had one to install. She informed me that it would void my warranty. I was pissed anyway cause they were taking too long with the paperwork so I let loose on her. She shut up when I let her know about the law. I also reminded her that the contractor that installs the "dealer" alarms use the exact same alarm system that I have. These people try to intimidate the uninformed. Their bully tactics apparently are successful on some folks that don't know better. When they try it on me I make a scene so anyone within 50 feet can hear me. They don't do it twice to me. Good luck. TV

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Old 12-04-2000, 04:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Alarms

I have the Viper 550 ESP installed on my Excursion. Just had it done a couple weeks ago now. Remote start and alarm are a part of the combo, the total cost after install was $497. I had it installed at Circuit City, they guarantee the install for the life of the vehicle. Should you sell your vehicle and want to remove the alarm, they will uninstall it for free.

I have had Viper alarms on my last four Fords (including the Excursion) and the dealers have never said anything. If there are any problems with wiring caused by the alarm install, this is usually taken care of by the installer as a part of their "guarantee." I have never had an electrical problem with an alarm.

As far as the need for an alarm... I believe it's necessary if you have some expensive toys inside your vehicle. I had a few thousand dollars in stereo equipment in oen of my cars that was kept safe by an alarm. I had the pager feature with that alarm and one night it went off, I went out to the car to find a broken window, but nothing stolen. The alarm scared the theives away.

Anyone who knows what they're doing can steal the vehicle, I don't care what someone says. It's all a matter of how much time they have. A buddy of mine who used to install alarm said that he wouldn't have a problem disabling an alarm if he had enough time to do so. The alarm will scare off just about anyone if they are trying to steal things in your vehicle or the vehicle itself.

Nothing can escape a flat bed, though. This was a quote from a buddy who is a mechanic. He worked at a shop and he would always have to tow disabled vehicles. A disabled vehicle can always be winched up onto a flatbed and towed away.

As far as the person being able to drive your vehicle away with an alarm...not likely. By the time you hear the alarm going off they will probably be running. If not, then you have the pleasure of chasing them down.

All in all, I would recommend an alarm to anyone who has things inside the vehicle that can be removed. I really didn't have a need for one because I felt the factory alarm was fine. The factory alarm w/ the chip in the key is a good combo. An aftermarket alarm is excellent for preventing theft of things inside the vehicle.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by erlong:
[B]All in all, I would recommend an alarm to anyone who has things inside the vehicle that can be removed. I really didn't have a need for one because I felt the factory alarm was fine. The factory alarm w/ the chip in the key is a good combo. An aftermarket alarm is excellent for preventing theft of things inside the vehicle.

Good succinct advice. I don't have any expensive toys in my X yet. So I'll stick with what I got for now. However, does anyone know how are passive theft systems work?

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I've had Fords for years, and I know all the service people at the dealer I use. They have never said one thing to me about any additions to the trucks. I think that they try to get you to buy their products in any way that they can, but most of it is BS. The 7000 has a valet mode that completely by passes the alarm so the dealer doesn't have to worry about it when the truck is in for service. I had it installed at a place called Cartronics, and they do very professional work. I'm sure that Clifford doesn't want to face any legal action,so they probably go to great lengths to insure a good installation.


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Danjon12,

Erlong is right, the primary reason for my alarm is to avoid having goodies stolen from the vehicle. Although the alarm that I have will activate if the vehicle is lifted 10 degrees from whatever position it was left in, I'm really less concerned about the theft of the vehicle.

The problem with the Ford system is that it doesn't activate with a broken window and can be disconnected by punching the drivers lock in and opening it with a screw driver. The AH's that broke in the last time, must have spent quite a bit of time in my vehicle as they stole EVERYTHING including a pair of old shoes and a bottle of windex. (With any luck I'll spot a guy cleaning windows on some corner wearing my shoes and listening to my CD's)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by danjon12:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by erlong:
All in all, I would recommend an alarm to anyone who has things inside the vehicle that can be removed. I really didn't have a need for one because I felt the factory alarm was fine. The factory alarm w/ the chip in the key is a good combo. An aftermarket alarm is excellent for preventing theft of things inside the vehicle.

Good succinct advice. I don't have any expensive toys in my X yet. So I'll stick with what I got for now. However, does anyone know how are passive theft systems work?

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In order for the factory Ford alarm to "go off" a door has to be opened by some other means than the key, keyless entry, or keypad. This is obviously useless against a theif who breaks a window and climbs through it. The X window openings are big enough for a person to easily fit through if the glass is broken.

The factory alarm also does not have a shock sensor which is what almost all good aftermarket alarms have. This is what generally detects a window being broken due to the force used in breaking the window. If this doesn't trigger the shock sensor, then a person climbing around inside the vehicle most likely will. Aftermarket alarms also add features like doorguards, which will cause the alarm to go off if any door, rear door, or the hood is opened. My Viper 550 ESP has a starter kill feature that will not allow the vehicle to start if the hood is unlatched.



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