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Old 03-24-2009, 11:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Altered height ticket - Need some stock measurments

Just got a ticket for my "X" being too tall in MA. Our lift limits are based on a formula of wheelbase X track / 2200 = max. total lift. The answer gets rounded to the nearest whole number and then you add 1 inch to account for production tolerances.

For an X it figures out to be 138" X 68.25" = 4.28, round to 4 add 1 for a total of 5 inches. My 4.5" Edge lift is OK with my stock tires but when I add my 35's I end up with 6" of total lift.

However, the RMV takes actual measurments from the center of the driver's door to the ground and compares if to the measurement of a stock vehicle. If my springs have sagged a bit I may just sneak by when measured.

I need to know the door to ground measurement for the tallest offered stock 4X4 "X". Mine is the PSD but maybe the gasser was a bit taller due to a lighter front end.

Would someone a stock 4X4 "X" mind taking the driver's door (center) to ground measurement so I can compare it to mine? Please provide year and model info. too.

Also, was a tire size larger than 265/75/16 ever offered? If so I can add the slight difference to the calculation.

Thanks in advance for any help. I know I can beat the ticket by getting the required RMV measurement w/ my stock tires but it is going to really be a bummer if I have to pull my 35's as I pass the State Police barracks on my way to work every day.
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Old 03-25-2009, 12:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you accounting for the additional track width with the larger tires?
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:17 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Are you accounting for the additional track width with the larger tires?
I used the stock track width as it is measured from the center of tread and does not change much with the 35's (70" vs. 68.25). The change using 70" is only from 4.28" to 4.39".

Unless I get measurments that show my truck is 5" or less (what the formula plus an inch allows) over stock with the 35's I will need to visit the RMV with my stock tires so I used the stock measurements to run my numbers.
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I don't really have anything to add to this conversation especially since I don't live in MA, but I'm curious whether you were ticketed for anything else (e.g., speeding, unsafe lane change, etc.)

I live in California, and have owned/operated several trucks that were running vehicle code violations. One time, I went to an offroad shop in my modified Frontier (eight inch lift, 35 inch tires) and had California Highway Patrol follow me back to the freeway, but then left me alone. Another time, I was speeding in my hometown in my modified Titan (six inch lift, 35 inch tires). Both trucks had headlights above the legal allowable limit, neither had mudflaps, and both had tires sticking out past the side bed by at least two inches. Anyway, for the speeding, cop pulled me over, cited me for speeding and tacked on a modified exhaust violation.

What I'm trying to say is that it's probably in your best interest just to make the citation go away by getting inspected with something you know will get you a pass. Then put your old set back on. Then tread lightly from there on out. I REALLY don't think cops are out looking for you if you're driving like a good big rig trucker. :-)
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I don't really have anything to add to this conversation especially since I don't live in MA, but I'm curious whether you were ticketed for anything else (e.g., speeding, unsafe lane change, etc.)
Was entering a rotary (had not even hit 10 mph) after getting a green light to do so. State PD had 6 cruisers and officers in the rotary pulling over anything that caught their eye. Did nothing to attract their attention other than have a bright and shiny freshly washed truck. At least I did not get taken away in cuffs like the guy that was waved over behind me.

Appears the state is trying to raise some extra money with these types of events.

As for stock measurements doesn't anyone still have a stock X they can measure for me to compare against?
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2000 Ex Limited stock as the come except 4" turbo back exhaust. I am sitting at 42 1/2 to the center of the lock on the drivers side. 265/75/16's
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Wow, I had no idea they were doing that up here.
I'm sitting at 3 3/4" lift on the stock tires and about 4.5" with the 285s.
I guess it's good that I went with a mostly stock looking 285 and not the knobby 33s I had previously. Would still be under the limit it sounds like - but this setup should attract less attention.
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I measured our stock 2000 Excursion Ltd. 4x4 that has L265/75 R16 tires. From the center of the base of the door to the pavement is right at 18".
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At the rear, my stock 4WD V10 measures about 24" from the center of rear hub to the highest edge of the fenderwell opening.
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I just recieve a ticket here in virginia for the same thing, so I re-registered my truck as a truck. Should get the truck plates anytime...... vehicles that are registered as a truck can be higher in VA.... passenger vehicles can be 22" from ground to bumber and trucks can be 30".

Too bad I am going to have to pay more for personal property tax now......
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I just recieve a ticket here in virginia for the same thing, so I re-registered my truck as a truck. Should get the truck plates anytime...... vehicles that are registered as a truck can be higher in VA.... passenger vehicles can be 22" from ground to bumber and trucks can be 30".

Too bad I am going to have to pay more for personal property tax now......
Did you consider that there will now be many roads you won't be allowed to use? Any roadway having a sign saying "no trucks allowed" will now be off limits to your truck. I know some guys who did what you're doing, and they got ticketed for cruising down Atlantic Ave. in Virginia Beach after 5PM. There also many toll roads where trucks are prohibited.
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