Hi, I installed a 4-position chip on a friends 01 X with the PATS system and something went wrong. The PATS would just flash fast and I would not get a Wait to Start light [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]. I tried to check the codes and my Star Gen tester could not communicate with the PCM.
So I had it towed to Ford and they seem to think the PCM is fried [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]. Anyway I was just wondering if I messed up the PATS system or the PCM. Anybody else have this happen?? He still wants the chip installed so is there anything I should do different on the install to get it to work??
Thanks a bunch
JIM
You might try PM'ing Shamuex2000 as he is running a chip on his X without any problems. In the interim, there's a good chance that you can just reset the PATS system and it will work. When I reprogram mine using the SCMT at times the PATS system will prevent me from starting the truck. To get around it you do the following:
1. Turn the key to run and watch the "Theft" light. It should be flashing faster than normal.
2. Watch the "Theft" light until it goes out. (45-60 seconds).
3. Turn the key to "Off" and physically remove it from the ignition for 10 seconds or longer.
4. Reinsert the key and turn it to run. The theft light should now be flashing slowly and when the WTS light goes out crank her over and she should run.
I hope this works for you.
Have a good one,
Dave
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I have a 4 position T/S chip and was told by many sources that all 4 bank chips will flash the theft light for about a minute(mine doe's also).That is just somthing nobody has gottin around yet. As for the no wait to start light make sure all the contacts on the PCM are cleaned. Or possibly the chip wasn't seated in the PCM all the way. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]FJF
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Thanks guys, I tried everything, with and without the chip etc.. I tried to reset the pats like you said and nothing (per fords Manuel) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]. Its at ford now and they are going to order a new PCM for it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] (that's going to hurt the wallet).
I've installed 8-9 chips for customers before and this is the first one I have had problems with.
When I find out what happened I'll post it and maybe it will help someone..
Thanks again
JIM
I don't pretend to know chips but I remember talking to Bill (Diesel power Chips) when I ordered my chip and he said something like you cant use a 4 page chip with a PATS system but you can put 4 programs on a single page chip? So it may have to be programed to the computers code? Ken
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Gos, Do you rewrite a program over my T/S program and put your own on it.I am very happy with my programing and wouldn't like it to change,but stopping the theft light would be nice (piece of mind). [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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I don't pretend to know chips but I remember talking to Bill (Diesel power Chips) when I ordered my chip and he said something like you cant use a 4 page chip with a PATS system but you can put 4 programs on a single page chip? So it may have to be programed to the computers code? Ken
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Thanks Ken, your the 2nd person whos told me that. I'll have to see if I can order a few 1 page 4 possition chips to keep in stock.
Ford call and said they still don't know whats wrong with the truck and it might be 2 more days before they get it figured out [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img].
JIM
We do not deal with the TS chips so, can't help you there. Seems to me talking to Dennis one time, he mentioned that he had a fix for the theft light. Might be worth a call to him. The chips we modify are from Bully Dog. JS.
Wish I could remember where my contact info was placed. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
I have been running the TTS (not TS) race chip (4 page,not 4 settings) and have never had all the problems people refer to with the PATS, etc.
Except for the exceptional performance, you would never know it's there.
Took a while though, going through all the other brands that wouldn't play well with the PATS (all the major brands) so I'm a bit jaded. I would never accept even the minor annoyances that so many talk about with chips and the PATS.
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Update: It's still at the Stealer Ship [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]. They put the new PCM in and now we have a "Wait to Start" light but the PATS light is still flashing real fast and it still won’t start. It's been 10 days and who knows how much longer it will be [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]. I sure am glad I have a VERY understanding customer....
JIM
I've seen this happen when my friend tried to load a programmer into his 01 ex and it didn't start. We disconnected the batteries for a few minutes, and then it started ok. If you had this no-start problem and then pulled the chip with the power on/key in, that may have taken out the PCM and the chip, but you know that right? I agree, I didn't have any PATS issues with my TTS chip either. I sold it to a friend who sent it back to TTS for re-programming, and then he had high EGT issues with it. He's still waiting for Steve Cole to fix that one. I'm running a DI chip for single shot injectors while I wait (and wait) for Dennis at TS to make new single shot programs for my TS chip. The DI has the flashing theft light that goes out after a few minutes. Not a big deal. I've heard also that Dennis has a fix for this. Fine, but I care more about the programming. I just tell people the theft light is to remind me to drive it like I stole it. Bill tried to re-program my TS chip once upon a time, and it had to be sent back to TS to be re-formatted, and then something about a blown processor... I had heard also about the single page chip thing, but I can't say for sure. Are we having fun yet? Dale
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I've seen this happen when my friend tried to load a programmer into his 01 ex and it didn't start. We disconnected the batteries for a few minutes, and then it started ok.
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We tried a programmer first and we got a no start, then I hooked the programmer back up and cleared the Trouble codes and then it fired right up. He drove it around for a while (20-30 min) and came back and said he’d rather have a 4-position chip, so I de-programmed the tuner and it fired up no prob.
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If you had this no-start problem and then pulled the chip with the power on/key in, that may have taken out the PCM and the chip, but you know that right?
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I don't remember for sure, but I think the key was in the ignition when we unplugged the PCM. I guess with the key in the ignition there is a small amount of voltage going to the PCM and when we unplugged or plugged it back in "ZAP" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
Lesson learned.
I just got back from ford with the X and after 12 Days they got everything working again. They replaced the PCM and had to manually reprogram the PCM to talk with the PATS so the Keys will work. Incase you didn't know, Ford PCM's have a 50,000 mile warranty on them [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img].
So thanks for all your help on this one and take care.
JIM
Have you tried just shutting off the pats thru the chip and see if it starts? This might help you diagnose the problem,to see if its the actual anti-theft or something else. Have you tried re-programming the key to the ecm? You would need a Ford NGS to do this. Just some ideas. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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