If you asked my wife monday morning after her Excursion died with a fuel gelling problem she would agree.But no Ford will be putting new grills and dash boards in Excursions and F-250/F-550 SuperDuty trucks in 2002.Alot of construction companies are using 9 passenger (front bench seat) PSD Excursions as crew wagons. MSNBC used an Excursion as a mobile studio for live broadcasts in Washington DC last week.And all the snow this season has alot of people thinking about the Excursion too.
Hmmmm. Anything's possible, but I'd be surprised if the X was killed after only two years. Ford would probably try different marketing and packaging strategies before throwing in the towel that quick.
Hey - if they do kill the X, wouldn't we all own unique classics some day?
Why would they discontinue it, all they have to do is shut the line down and make more 250's, when they run low, make more X's. They have the best of both worlds. No extra parts, unless you call a few body panels extra parts. And when people stop wanting to drive the S**b station wagon and wand a real truck, F***d will be waiting to deliver.
the gelling of fuel is coming up more and more, it doesnt happen to pick ups, just X's from what i hear......very annoying, i treat every tank now, i dont feel i should have to at 30 degrees and running winterized fuel, but after watching her towed away twice and standing in the cold, im not taking chances.
p.s. im growing tired of the front end also
Fuel gelling has nothing to do with the type of vehicle being driven. Number 2 Diesel will cloud and then gel just as readily in a 250/350 as in an Excursion. The operative variable is temperature not vehicle type.
The real problem for you is your fuel supplier. There is no excuse for recently purchased fuel gelling in your tank. Your fuel dealer is sloppy or perhaps ignorant. I would guess that he is a low volume diesel station that still has summer fuel in the tanks that he has not bothered to treat with additive. Since you live close to the line where you can skimp by without winterized fuel, it is also possible your fuel dealer is buying from a terminal that normally supplies more southerly markets where winterized or blended fuels are not used. This winter has been colder than normal and as a result, those who are skimming and supplying an inferior product are being exposed.
You need to change fuel suppliers and you need to give the tow bill to your old supplier for payment. The fuel he supplied was not reasonably fit for the purpose intended and therefore breached the warranty of ... . I am sure you get my drift.
Yeah - I'm with POLR BR. Should be no problems at all in the temps you describe. Heck, gets down to 0 degrees F here and I don't use additives - neither do my diesel buddies.
we all run to the same location in upstate ny, both times ive filled at a popular truck stop, along side of my buddies with pick ups, the fuel tanks are different and placed differently, it only hapens when running for 10-20 miles. tired of hearing its the suppliers, its happening to too many people.
I too would be surprised if there was any likelihood Ford would discontinue the Excursion. The business media has reported the per unit profit on this vehicle is the highest of any product line for Ford. That is attributable in part to the production efficiencies achieved by sharing the product line with the Superduty product line.
In addition law enforcement has discovered the X car. The FBI and ATF are riding around in style and comfort. I recently attended a corrections conference and was surprised by the number of X's owned by various state and county law enforcement units. If the X becomes the must have, vogue vehicle for these groups, Superduty pickups might become scarce.
Off topic-- VMaxDave, I am not clear about your fuel problem. Did you pull your fuel filter and confirm wax formation? Did the problem clear up after ten or twenty miles on its own or did you take some action? Have you changed your fuel filter and drained the filter housing? Did you see any evidence of water or impurities? When you experienced the problem, did the engine simply stop running or was it running roughly and blowing smoke? What color was the smoke?
The configuration and location of the X's fuel tank will not make the X more vulnerable to fuel gelling. If anything the X's tank is better shielded from air currents that would cool the tank and one surface of the tank is adjacent to a warm interior surface (the cargo floor) unlike the pickup tanks. However, I doubt that either factor effects the rate at which fuel reaches ambient air temperature. In cold weather, your fuel will reach ambient temperature quickly regardless of which type of vehicle you have.
From your description of symtoms, I would hazard a guess you may have water/crud in your fuel system. One source of water can be condensation inside the fuel tank. You may want to consider keeping your tank more than 1/2 full in the winter to minimize the possibility of condensation. The other source of water is your fuel dealer whose tanks also suffer from condensation problems. Poor tank maintenance is usually the culprit when problems do arise. Buying from high volume dealers minimizes the risk, but there are no gurantees. I got more than 5 gallons of water in my Mack dump truck from a truck stop which caused no end of problems.
Polr Br, the problem always occurs on the way home, truck sits for a few day, start it, let it warm, hop in, drive @ 10-20 miles, it starts bucking, and slowly dies. it will start sometimes and blows a thick smoke (blueish) but has no power, and usually stahls. put it in a warm garage overnight, drive it home. i have puchased a product called meltdown, just in case. the second time this happened, i did change the filter, we have many diesel heads on hand, it definitely is a gelling problem, but ive had no problems since treatment (polar power)
p.s. like edelbrocks better than Bilsteins?
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