A while back I posted about the difference on front spring clearance on my brother in law's 2003 with a 7.3 and my 2004. I remembered the difference being that he had about 3" of travel. Well he's here in tow and i just measured both.
His is bone stock and still has the D Codes and is a full 1 1/2" higher in the front measuring body and frame both. His springs are actually slightly "up curved" where mine are more of a reverse.
Now, the full 1 1/2" is based on his from side to side (only about 1/8" difference if that) and mine is based on the drivers side only which is the side that is about 1" lower than the right. I'll get mine out of thegarage and see what the difference is in the other side of mine, but I can say, his defenitly looks higher in the front too. Oh, and he's got 265 Michellins and I've got 285 Revo's so there should be about 1/2" difference just in that.
I want my U Codes. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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What is he towing??? it has to be lifting the front
U codes will do you fine if you would like:
1. Enough travel for most situations
2. What it should have been from the factory.
3. Still a fairly soft SUV ride, ( soft is a relative term here it is still a 3/4 ton truck) But it can ride very good for a 3/4 ton.
Now this is just my OPINION, and you know what they say about those. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
Bruce
Remember tire size will only change the over all height not any spring clearances or travel.
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4x2 Lift Gate Lifts,
Tekonsha Prodigy
Ford 30MM Rear Bar
BridgeStone 285/75-16AT(D range) Revos, Now have a winter and summer set each with a set of wheels!
V Code LF, U Code RF Modified Fs in the rear
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750 W Inverter
Magnaflow XL System W/ 3.5 DP OE Cat spliced in at 4" inlet and 3-3/4" outlet.
ART Rotors, Performance Friction Pads, Front & Rear
Rancho RSXs on Front and 9000s set at 2 on rear
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Agreed on the tire size. I measured body and frame and since there is about a 1" difference in the tires, I need to account for that.
As for towing, he's never hooked up to anything at all. When I measured, they didn't even have a suitcase left in the back end.
It's amazing to see the springs. He's got about 25k miles on it but the springs actually have a slight upward bow. It may not be fair comparing to mine because something has to be wrong with my springs. Mine have a reverse bow and a slight gap between the leaves towards the ends. But his has just over 3" of clearance between the bump stop and spring. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] His actually looks like it sit's level. I'm baffled........if I could have the same thing, I'd be happy with D codes but I guess if I'm going have anything done, I'll do U codes and not take a chance on replacing the D's under warranty and not getting much benefit from it.
Oh, one thing I can say about mine, he drove it and was amazed. His is an '03 with the 7.3 and he couldn't believe the difference. I did a slight power brake to about 1500 or so RPM and actually launched spinning both rear tires for about 10 feet or so and even had backed off. Now I know why guys launch in 4 high. It blew me away!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Sounds to me like a set of V codes with a D code tag on them! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
Any chance of geting the stamped part number off those spings?
With it being in the family and all.
This is very interesting, I just can not explain this one.
Tell him he is very lucky to get a set of what ever it is he has.
At this point my Vs are about flat to negative bow in them but they are just fine. They have about 67K on them.
Bruce
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2005 X PSD Limited Mineral Grey, 4X4 Has Second row bench then Every other factory option available. Under Construction
4x2 Lift Gate Lifts,
Tekonsha Prodigy
Ford 30MM Rear Bar
BridgeStone 285/75-16AT(D range) Revos, Now have a winter and summer set each with a set of wheels!
V Code LF, U Code RF Modified Fs in the rear
Catch All Linners
750 W Inverter
Magnaflow XL System W/ 3.5 DP OE Cat spliced in at 4" inlet and 3-3/4" outlet.
ART Rotors, Performance Friction Pads, Front & Rear
Rancho RSXs on Front and 9000s set at 2 on rear
06 Chrome Package Grill,bumpers and hooks. After an encounter with a Honda, (She got the ticket) 2005 Ex and Specs and Pictures of 2002 X
Sounds like your springs are normal, his are mislabeled. Lucky for him.
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Code stamped on the rear underside of the spring:
RPN2452
2C34AEA
I looked at mine really quick and the 2nd number is 3C34AJA. The other number is different too, but it's new and black and I need a liught to see it better. Best I could tell, it was RPN the the 4 digits are different.
Maybe the part numbers will help some. As far as I can tell without measuring exact, the leafs are the same thicknessa nmd the mounting hardware is the same too. HIs just has an obvious upward bend and mine downward. As I stand in front of his, man it looks tall. Measuring from my leg, the tow hooks are over 2" higher than mine. More factors to be different there, but visually it's really obvious.
Ths bugs me. Not that it'll do anything, but I'm curious why such difference in springs. Unless mine are just really that weak.....
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Ths bugs me. Not that it'll do anything, but I'm curious why such difference in springs. Unless mine are just really that weak.....
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You should have seen the clearance I had with my stock D codes with only 2,000 miles on the truck,I had only 1/4"-1/2" clearance between the spring tops and bump stops,talk about no travel!
The part numbers on the springs are very inconsistent as the factory that produces them keeps changing em numbers [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Me thinks it's just to confuse us owners [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
BILL
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Have Vs under truck and Ds in the back of the shop
I will have to take a look
Bruce
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2005 X PSD Limited Mineral Grey, 4X4 Has Second row bench then Every other factory option available. Under Construction
4x2 Lift Gate Lifts,
Tekonsha Prodigy
Ford 30MM Rear Bar
BridgeStone 285/75-16AT(D range) Revos, Now have a winter and summer set each with a set of wheels!
V Code LF, U Code RF Modified Fs in the rear
Catch All Linners
750 W Inverter
Magnaflow XL System W/ 3.5 DP OE Cat spliced in at 4" inlet and 3-3/4" outlet.
ART Rotors, Performance Friction Pads, Front & Rear
Rancho RSXs on Front and 9000s set at 2 on rear
06 Chrome Package Grill,bumpers and hooks. After an encounter with a Honda, (She got the ticket) 2005 Ex and Specs and Pictures of 2002 X
FamilyRide--
Your springs are like mine and most others that have the 03/04. I have the U codes in the garage ready to go but after seeing what a pain in the butt it is to install I have not been in a hurry to do it.
You know, the only difference in our 2 were that his is an '03 with the 7.3. I don't think the 6.0 weighs that much more than the 6.0 so I'd wonder if they changed the specs on the D codes, maybe to lower the center of gravity, of the point of impact if it were to rear end someone.
If you look at ours with 1" or less clearnace, how in the world can Ford say that the truck has a GVW of 20k and towing of 11k. I bet if you properly load mine with a 10k travel trailer and properly crank the WD bars down, then load the truck with gear within spec, the front end would be riding on bumpstops. How safe is that to run at 18k-20k properly loaded and ride on 3" chucks of rubber?
Problem is the dealer has to play dumb and replace to keep the ride height difference within tolerance, unless I can find there is another tolerance, like spring travel, that they could do something about.
__________________ 2004 EB Excursion, 4x4, 6.0, everything but step tubes and 2nd row chairs, Magnaflow Exhaust, Isspro Gauges in an under cubby pod, Fumoto sitting on V Codes and Revo 285's.
"Treat me good, I'll treat you better; treat me bad, I'll treat you worse." - Sonny Barger
I know your pain. It does not make sense to me either but what can you do ? I am moving ahead with my front end mods( U codes) soon. And after further review by taking some measurements when fully loaded I am going to purchase the Ride Rites due to the fact I sagged 3" in the rear and did not like the look of that. Air bag mod looks fairly easy to do yourself. I wish the front springs could go as easy but is not likely. Most guys have said they have pulled the bumper off 1st which opened the front shackle a bit. I will see soon how difficult it is.
Code stamped on the rear underside of the spring:
RPN2452
2C34AEA
I looked at mine really quick and the 2nd number is 3C34AJA. The other number is different too, but it's new and black and I need a liught to see it better. Best I could tell, it was RPN the the 4 digits are different.
Maybe the part numbers will help some. As far as I can tell without measuring exact, the leafs are the same thicknessa nmd the mounting hardware is the same too. HIs just has an obvious upward bend and mine downward. As I stand in front of his, man it looks tall. Measuring from my leg, the tow hooks are over 2" higher than mine. More factors to be different there, but visually it's really obvious.
Ths bugs me. Not that it'll do anything, but I'm curious why such difference in springs. Unless mine are just really that weak.....
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I hate when old threads get brought back from the dead, but for those that remember the discussion about my brother in laws '03 7.3 Excursion and my claim that his sat nose high and about 2" higher than mine, and was bone stock off the showroom, I decided to search for the code that I had gotten off of his springs before he sold it.
Drum roll please.........his were W codes!!!! Yes, 2C34AEA is what I got off his, which were W codes per the '03 service manual.
Unbelievable!!! But his sat obviously nose high where it needed to be leved out from the rear. I just can't imagine how or why it had W codes, unless it was somehow ordered that way for someone that was going to put a big bumper/winch on it. Who knows, but the 3 year old mystery is solved! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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"Treat me good, I'll treat you better; treat me bad, I'll treat you worse." - Sonny Barger
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does your x have any lift on it? I assume those are 285/75 16's?
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If you're looking at the pictures in my sig (link) that's stock. It was just last week that I swapped the springs out for V codes. I found some take-offs so they had already settles so I got 1 1/2" instead of 1 3/4" or so when they are brand new springs.
I went up and checked to see how much, if any it would sit nose high with the boat hooked up and I was surprised to see it doesn't "look" any different than it did. In the pictures it looks more nose high than it did in person. But it wasn't sitting on level ground either.
I'll see if I can stick 1 or 2 of the pics in my galery, including 1 of the truck only so you don't have the lines of the boat messing with the appearance. The boat (about 7500# at max) is hooked up though.
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