Found On Road......Dead

[BadAndy]

Coldair,

Your comment on "air in the fuel" caught my interest. Were you reffering to ford_x_3's rig, my rig, or both?

If the reference was to both of our problems of low mileage and poor power...

Which symptoms make you beleive there is a air-in-fuel problem?

Has this been common?
Which is the most likely cause? / Which "fuel mod" is most likely to cure the problem?

Are the dealers aware of these problems and if so, how do they usually attempt to fix it?

Any TSBs on this sort of thing?????

Andy

[Todd T]

what he is referring to is a "Known" problem that ford will not address. if you complain of poor mileage they replace injectors, flash you and send you packing. most times, not even the injector replaced until you have an established complaint history. the air in fuel problem comes from a design flaw in the components used for the fuel system. the connectors used at the pump are not rated for suction. they are pressure fittings and since they are used for suction they can and DO draw air into the system. the next problem is
the fuel system "dead ends" in the fuel rails. thus trapped air in the rails has to be forced through the ingesters <-- LOL to be released. this causes misfires and tip deterioration and eventually injector failure. OH and poor fuel economy and a rod knocking sound along the way. So what you have to do is live with it, or pull your tank, change out a few parts and R&R the connectors at the pump.

These are all the things I was “victimized” with once I dug into this site LOL. but unfortunately AFTER I bought this thing. I never buy new, so I don’t have a 3/36 to lean on. Since I am now stuck with it I WILL fix it MYSELF thank you. And at my first opertunity I will trade it off having lived and learned. but not before educating someone else.

Back to my point. I see a trend on here. again today I saw it. a guy complained of his new 6.0 and the first thing they do is accuse him of being a troll. The reason most people join these sites are after they have been run through the system and need help. But first they have to vent a bit. That’s all, let them vent and then get down to business of making them happy again. IE helping them! Not egging them on.

And Dave don’t be offended, I wasn’t, nor did I intend to offend you. I think you are a great asset and have always had nothing but good to say.

Its all good, and a dead issue at this time
Todd

[ford_x_3]

Repeat of same problem from earlier in week!!
Started truck up with remote starter.No problem.Waited five minutes for warmup. Noise coming from under hood again sounds almost like belt noise.Goose accelerator the noise doesn't pick up or drop off just stays constant.Same as before.But this time I do the restart test from the safety of home [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img](just in case I gotta wait 3 hours for the hook again)<---not funny,it's still sub freezing in these parts!
Same results as before......nothing!No crank,no click of a relay....nada!
The dealer R&R'd the starter 2 days ago. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[dmftoy1]

FWIW, I'd be suspicious of that aftermarket remote starter. I have nothing to base it off of, but I'd be curious if you had the same problems without it.

Just my .02

Regards,
Dave

[dmftoy1]

[ QUOTE ]
Repeat of same problem from earlier in week!!
Started truck up with remote starter.No problem.Waited five minutes for warmup. Noise coming from under hood again sounds almost like belt noise.Goose accelerator the noise doesn't pick up or drop off just stays constant.Same as before.But this time I do the restart test from the safety of home [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img](just in case I gotta wait 3 hours for the hook again)<---not funny,it's still sub freezing in these parts!
Same results as before......nothing!No crank,no click of a relay....nada!
The dealer R&R'd the starter 2 days ago. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not sure which Pursuit model you have, but it looks like the model that incorporates a security system also has a "starter disable".

http://www.audiovox.com/cgi-bin/ncom...t?prrfnbr=3934

Is there possibly something in the owner's manual that tells you how to override the starter disable?

Just a guess.

Regards,
Dave

[Todd T]

i would be looking into the relay that controls the starter out or the remote. maybe they wired it wrong and have the load passing through the relay causing it to burn and stick on. also dont those things have adjustable parameters for the "crank time". maybe that has gone haywire.

let us know.

[RichS]

ford_x_3,

Bingo on what dmftoy1 said. When the dealer R&R'd the starter, the first step is to disconnect the batteries. This could tend to reset the remote starter and any starter disable feature involved.

Try disconnnecting the batteries for a while and then restart the vehicle with the key. If it starts, take it to the dealer and tell him what you did.

The second observation is that apparently this is only happening when you use the remote starter. Sounds like that is the culprit.

(added on edit If it does only happen when you use the remote starter and all other times it starts fine, then with the whining, it sounds as if the remote starter is keeping the starter engaged. Running the starter for that long will burn the starter motor out as you should never crank for more than 30 seconds or so. Once the engine starts, the bendix may be disengaging and the whining or whirring noise you hear is just the disengaged starter motor running.

RichS

[ford_x_3]

I agree with all you guys.My gut feeling is the remote's the culprit too.It's what I thought initially.Well it's in the hands of the dealer now and I would call and put in my .02 but I did that initially and was given the "Uh-Huh...well we'll just have to check that out" Probably never even mentioned it to the tech.
I do think the tech might have tried that route(disconnecting the batt) though because the clock and radio were zeroed out.Just assuming that though,only because I myself wouldn't bother disconnecting the batt for a starter swap not when you're trying to make hours anyway.

[ford_x_3]

Dealer burnt up 2 more starters before he called me and meekly asked for the 800# for Pursuit. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]It took all I had not to say "Told Ya So"

[A Rusch]

I'm at a loss as to why they didn't have the 800#???? per your above post: "I haven't customized anything other than the suspension.The remote starter was installed by the dealer.I told them I wanted the factory Remote Starter.They told me they ALWAYS put in this aftermarket." They lost the number of something they ALWAYS install??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] Sounds like you picked the wrong dealer, not the wrong truck......... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]

[Deejay]

I've read through this whole thread just now...

Whew... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

As for buying a truck and using it the way you bought it... I guess I have never personally gone this way. I see a truck... Any truck... And I can tell what it needs to make it better. EVERY truck out there can use some extra parts to help it out.

While there is no excuse for a truck (or suv) not operating safely or within a reasonable limit of being able to operate properly... I always add things to my trucks to make them the way I want. (like other users here )

Ive told this before, but when i got my f350 I drove it right from the dealer, straight into the 4x4 shop. No lie... I picked up my truck, and droppped it off about 30 min later at the 4x4 shop...(And it was worked on for 4 agonizing days! After waiting so long, that short drive was such a tease! haha)

I will be doing the same thing with the Ex I have on order. This april (I hope) when I get the new EX, its DIRECTLY from the dealership to the 4x4 shop again for a 4" lift, rear load airbags with compressor, new BFG tires, gauges, new rancho shocks and a swaybar if I can get it to work with the lift, etc. Also the sterios ALWAYS SUCK in factory cars/trucks, so im swapping my system from my superduty into the Ex... I have looked under the Ex's and I simply can't beleive they can make them so low! The extreme low amount of clearance for those front axles to the bumpstops just blows my mind... There is no way I would ever think about driving a truck like that.

I basicly see new vehicles as a base to start from. Many things either go into my storage or into he garbage the day I get the truck from the dealership.. (Trash those crappy stock shocks! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ) You cant look at the price of just buying the truck. You need to also know that you probably will have to spend more over that to make it YOUR truck... To make it fit YOUR needs.. Not the needs of what THEY think the masses want.

Although I do have to say that I am starting to wonder if I should call in and change my 6.0 to a trusty 7.3... I have drove my 7.3 350 for almost 100,000 KM now, and its NEVER caused a problem, plus I already have a chip programmer. Hmmmmm

Oh ya, one more thing, about the ford techs and the desk jockeys at the service counter... I always first talk to the desk jockeys.. You pretty much have to to get the truck in, but I ALWAYS talk to the techs directly too.. .Even at the HUGE truck dealership I go to. Matter of fact, I usually walk right into the shop area like i own the place. Ive done this and been this way at three dealerships. If you know what you are talking about, and are steady and stern with the desk jockeys, and dont take any crap from them, you will get the service you need and want. (I do all this, while being nice and respectible by the way...) I demand the type of service I expect, and I also respect them as much as they respect me...

Anyways, enought outta me! Jeesh, you got me started! haha

Deejay

[ford_x_3]

First of all let me preface this post by saying I will no longer post on this subject again.This final post is really in response to A RUSCH and the one or 2 others out there that have attacked my initial post.
I will not argue with members that just want to argue or fancy themself a trial lawyer and want to antagonisticaly and sarcasticly question other members posts .Go kick your dog or punch a tree.Even though I'm fairly new here compared to most of you,I come here for friendly advise and to maybe one day IF I get enough experience with this vehicle under my belt provide the same to others.Which is what I THOUGHT this whole site was set up for.Not to be attacked because I'm unhappy with something and spoke my mind about it.I bought the truck out of state at a different dealer and am sorry I did because the level of service from the purchased dealer is sometimes a little better than when you take it somewhere else.
Not that it SHOULD be,but that's life.I ran into that wall running around trying to get the spring swap covered at 3 different dealerships.
I would take it back there but it's 2hrs away and a MAJOR hassle ie:time off work,wasted day hoping they can fix it while I'm there etc.etc.
It was bad enough having to go up there to get the spring swap done.
I should've stuck to my guns and demanded the factory remote.I knew better.The dealer that's got the truck would be well within his rights to to tell me to take it back where I bought it,it's not a factory part.
As far as my gripes go.I agree with BOTH of you guys.YES you always end up doing mods on vehicles.....if you're the mechanical type,enjoy doing it,and want to make improvements to customize it to your liking.Now while I am the mechanical type,I worked as a line mechanic at dealers for a number of years worked as an elevator mechanic worked as a textile and sewing machine mechanic and do construction on the side,trust me I'm fully capable AND knowledgeable
to do any mods I would WANT to do.
They key word there is WANT.Not HAVE to do.Like I said before,I've owned a lot of vehicles over the years and worked on more than I care to discuss both stock and for the strip and I know the way a vehicle should behave from the factory.I've always done my own work other than warranty issues because A.)Past experience has shown me that I'm a better mechanic than 90% of the guys in the shops B.)I won't pay someone else to do what I can do myself unless I absolutely have to.
I do not enjoy it,I do it out of neccesity.Maybe I'm getting old but I don't get a thrill anymore, other than maybe a quick passing one,from cars or trucks <-(and for Pete's sake you don't need to attack me for that.You're you and I'm me!.I was NOT attacking you for doing mods that you WANTED to do,I was just trying to point out to you that the mods you did were a NECCESITY to ANYONE that owns one of these and KNOWS the way a vehicle should perform!This is a forum for ALL Excursion owners.)
To me vehicles serve a purpose.That's why I'm not a line mechanic anymore and why I buy new vehicles these days.I don't WANT to be crawling under my cars anymore.That's why I am willing to spend $40,000 on a new vehicle that comes with a warranty not $20-30,000 on a used one and building it to my liking.
When I spend $40,000 on a vehicle it should perform safely and reliably on it's own merits.I was not looking for and did not expect to get a truck that would climb the side of Mt. Everest,do the quarter mile in under 10 seconds,or pull a house down.
I bought it with the idea that it's got a lot more room than my Bronco had [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] and that it would perform as well or maybe even a little better than that truck did.That's why I hunted down one that had a diesel in it ('course my luck I could only find one out of state!).My thinking with the diesel was that it would last even longer that the 351 that was in the Bronco.I got 200k miles and almost 11 yrs out of it and didn't put one penny into it in mods other than an alarm and a stereo system.(I had a hard time justifying $40k for a vehicle but figured if I got 15 yrs out of it it might be worth it).
Not in my wildest dreams did I think that this truck had so many problems.Like I said before and admit to,yes ,maybe I should have done more research.Maybe had I taken my test drive over the course of a week and logged a few hundred miles I would have felt the drawbacks to the truck and not bought it........maybe not.I might have chalked the problems up to it being a salesmans vehicle with all the abuse that goes along with that.I still don't think I would have found this site and been made aware of the problems until (exactly what happened to me and obviously others)I bought one,went ballistic,and tried to find others that owned one and if they too were experiencing what I was .
OBVIOUSLY SO!
As far as cutting my losses and getting rid of it?When a statement like that is made it's made by someone that either A.)Just likes to put his .02 in whether it makes sense or not or B.)Has money to burn.
I do not have money to burn.I bought this truck with funds that came only from refinancing my house and taking out some of my equity that I worked VERY hard to build.I cannot afford to now turn around and sell this truck for the $30-$32,000 it MIGHT fetch, take that loss and add ANOTHER $7-8,000 to it to buy something else.
I'm stuck with this thing.To boot,if I DO the mods that I COULD do to improve it?I'll void that same factory warrantee that was the main reason I even dropped the $40k to begin with!!!My only chance here is that maybe,just maybe,something will fail under warranty that it takes the dealer enough attempts at that will let me invoke the lemon laws or go to arbitration and get another X that has the new 6Ltr(Claims are that it has more off the line power)and then go thru the whole process of getting the spring swap done ........again.
The biggest shame of this whole long thread of posts is that A RUSCH and the one or 2 others out there that just HAD to attack a new member probably DO have good some good advise they could have imparted.I know for fact that A RUSCH has done one or two things to his truck that I would have liked to ask him about but as the saying goes......"It'll be a cold day in ****" before I would.
That's it end of my posts on this subject.

[Deejay]

Oh man, i think you took a lot of posts wrong here...

I read this whole thread before replying.. I wanted to know exactly what was going on... All I wanted to do was put in my .02 about what I did... And I think a few of the other users here only meant to do the same.

Also in my reading of the other posts here, i could tell a few of em where joking around.. .Saying to "cut your losses and sell it to me" etc etc..

In all honesty, i firmly beleive that the others here realized this thread started out on the wrong foot, but we all tried to turn it around.. I think we DID turn it around... And now you seem to think we are attacking again? I don't get it... I wasnt expecting to see a response like this at all...

I dont think the others are still "Attacking" (after the point this thread turned around)... I think you may have misunderstood some of us... I assure you... I have been here for a couple years, and the users here are so amazingly helpful, and have some great info and ideas. I have benifited so much from reading and responding here, and I just want to give back any info I have in return as i am sure they wanted to.

Hope you can see and understand what I am saying here. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

Be cool. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Lets see if we cant get you HAPPY with your truck!

Deejay

[A Rusch]

This thread DID get out of hand, and I'm sure I am one of the contributors - the one main downfall of forums like this is that 90% of communication is non verbal and cannot be expressed with words only - i.e. a joke is told with facial expressions and tone of voice..... nobody is immune to misunderstanding when posting on this forum, including me - I'll admit misunderstanding the original intentions and reacting in an irresponsible manner. I have come to realize that a positive response to even an obvious negative comment will always maintain order here - I didn't follow that rule myself here, and I will not fall prey to that course of action again. I really prefer conversing face-to-face with people - way less room for misunderstanding - since this forum doesn't make that possible, I'll either have to stay away or be sure to be nicer. 'nuf said, done now............. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]