How Much Lift??

[A1980GMC]

I have started gathering component to lift my 02 X. First thing I gotten are Superlift 6" front springs. But I have a small problem. The 6" Springs that I bought are for a Super Duty Truck. Does anybody know how much this will raise the front of my X? I am guessing soewhere between 7" to 8". Am I over estimating this?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Ryan

[caryt]

I think they will only give you about 4" on a X. They will also give ya a stiff ride [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Cary

[A1980GMC]

Why would they give me less than 6"s? If they are designed to lift a truck 6" and my X sits lower than the truck it should raise mine more than 6". Basically with a truck you lift it 6" with 6" springs. If the X sits lower then you are starting in the negative.

Unless I am mistakein, if people are swapping in Truck springs to their X's to lift them, and I am installing springs to lift mine 6" higher than those swaps I can't get less than 6" out of them.

[ShayB]

Isn't it exactly because you are starting out 2" lower on an X then a pick up that you will end up with 2" less of lift? If the lift was made specifically to lift a F series 6", and you put it on your X, it will take 2" just to get your X up to the height of a stock F series. Then you will lift it 4" above that. Now if you bought a lift specifically for the X, it should lift it however much the lift is for.

Am I thinking right?

[coldair]

Get the Edge lift kit,I pulled my skyjacker kit out and gave it away

[A1980GMC]

I bought Superlift Springs not Skyjacker.

Ok let me explain it the way I understand it. Somebody please tell me if ths logic is wrong.

The Springs in the X's and trucks are different. Hence all the different codes. The springs I bought are made to lift a truck that already sits higher than mine 6". The springs do not change because they are going on a different vehicle.

If you take the springs off a F-250 and the springs off an X what is the difference? They are both at 0. How would putting 6" (truck) springs on the X lift it less than the truck? That does not make sense.

The 6" Springs I bought are made to life a truck 6". The X's stock ride height is ?" (? being a variable) lower than the truck. So putting 6" truck lift springs on there I will raise my X 6" plus ?" for a combine height of 6+? inches.

Unless there is something I am missing there is now possible way this set-up would yeild less lift than 6".

[A1980GMC]

Ok question aswered. I got ahold of someone at Superlift. They told me to expect about 7" of lift. Not bad for $240 plus shipping.

A guy at Deaver Springs told me taht Edge's 7" Excursion lift uses his 6" front springs.

Thank you to everyone who replied.

[MotionMan]

Because they lift the PU 6" over stock. We are 2" under so you will lift the X about 4" over stock. When I put V codes from an F350 on mine i got 1.5"s, then I added a 1.5 add a leaf to get 3 over stock but would match an X code 350. It is all based on a stock height. Yes with no spring we are all at -0- but thats not what they advertise. It is all based on the stock height. You would only get 5 inches over an X code because it is 1.5" over a V code 350. They base the 6"s off a stock, V code 350. the 250 would be the same since it is more or less a V code spring. Thats the problem. Once again, the advertised lift is over a stock F350.

[A1980GMC]

MotionMan that is not true. 6" truck lift springs will raise an X more than 6". You are right the X sits lower. That is why it raises it more. It will not raise it in total height more. Almost all spring manufacturers have spring for Trucks and sprigs for Excursions. Most of them are the same springs. Most of them do not specially make lift springs for X's. They simply sell their Truck springs and advertise them as a bigger lift. Edge does it. Edge states it in their ad. Their 7" Excursion lift are 6" front Deaver truck springs. The man at Deaver who answered the phone told me that one.

A 6" spring is a 6" spring. If you go out and take the wheels off an F-250 and measure the distance from the bottom f the fram to the top of the spring you will get RR" (R being what ever it is)if you do the same to an X you will get less than RR". Now take both of there stock springs off and install identical 6" front lift sprigs made for a truck then remeasure. The difference on the truck should be about 6" the difference on the X will be around 7"

That was all I was asking here. I just wanted to know if ayone here had done this and how much actual lift did they get.

[A1980GMC]

Actually MotionMan you are kinda answering my question in your own post. You said you added V codes from a 350. Well that put your X at a stock V coded 350's height. You said that gave you 1.5" of lift. Well then if you were to add a 6" front spring to that you would then have 7.5" of lift from were you started cause the 6" springs are made to lift you from where the V codes had you not the stock X codes....which were 1.5" lower.

[MotionMan]

Ok, if you add 6" springs to an X you get 6"s if the mfg says you get 6" over a stock F350, and you add the 6" lift to a 350 then you get 6" but you are still 2" higher than an X. They measure the 6"s from a stock 350, which is higher to start. If the X code springs are another 1.5"s over the V codes and you add the same 6" lift you get 5" because the measurment is from a stock F350, which is 1.5"s under the stock X codes. If all this 6"s is measured from a V code height, how can the Excursion be higher, it starts lower to begin with. Yes 6"s is 6"s but that is not the argument. It is 6"s over the base start height of a V code 350, not 6"s over the axle. I bet if you call and ask what a 6" lift for an F350 would raise an Excursion they would say 4" because the 6" is the extra height you get from an F350. Which is 2"s higher to start. Someone help me here, please.

[BDS]

Well, Since we are all telling our stories...I was told by Donahoe that EDGE uses the same front spring (Deaver) in the Supty Dupty 6" kit as in the EX 6" kit. The kit is the same spring as Donahoes Excursion 7" spring. Basically, Donahoe calls it a 7" kit and Edge calls it a 6" kit. Donahoe calls it that since it raises the EX 7" from stock height. Boy this is confusing!

Congrats on the decision to go higher! I lifted mine with the Donahoe 7" / Edge 6" (Whatever) and love it.

So you say the spring is a Supty Dupty 6" spring...So I would guess that you will get about 7" of lift out of it from stock EX height. Now put that on a Supty Dupty and expect about 6" from stock height...All In ALL, you'll be the same height as everyone elses 6" kit out there. That is until the springs start to sag.

Good Luck,
Brent.

[A1980GMC]

MotionMan as stated more than once above. I did call Deaver Springs and Superlift.

I asked Superlift "How much will the 6" front Super Duty Springs raise my X." The man said "Hold on" Then came back and said "7 inches"


I called Deaver Springs. He said that they use their 6" TRUCK springs in the Edge 7" Excursion lift. Go to http://www.donahoeracing.com/prod_de...p?productID=13 and you will see that in the description of thier 7" Excursion kit they use 6" Truck springs.

If you put 6" truck springs on a Super Duty Truck and then put the same 6" truck springs on an X they will be at the same height. Give or take because of weight and such. For them to now be at the same height the truck went up 6" and the X had to be lifted higher than it's original stock height. Thus giving the X a larger from stock lift.

Let's say that a stock truck sits at 0" lift. You add a 6" lift to it and it goes from 0" to 6" thus a 6" lift. The X sits at a negatibve compared to the Truck so lets say it starts at -1" after you put the 6" springs it now sits at a positive 6" To go from -1" to +6" it takes 7" of lift.

The frames of the trucks are the same. The mounting points and shackles are roughly the same. So if you take the springs off both an X and a truck they are the same. Then add the 6" front springs and remeasure. The truck will sit 6" higher than it did in stock form and the X will sit somewhere around 7" higher than it did in stock form. But they will both then sit roughly at the same overall height.

[A1980GMC]

BDS that is what I've been thinking here. I hope the springs do not sag too much. There is a company out of Colorado called Off-Road Design. They make a 1" zero rate add-a-leaf. But I've only seen them for Chevys. not sure if they will work on a Ford. Don;t really see why not. It's basically a big 1" thick leaf. So you might need new u-bolts with them. You can also use them to move your axle an 1" forward or backwards. They have offsetting pin positions on them. I wil try them if I need the extra 1".

[MotionMan]

I guess the confussion is where thay measure the 6"s from. If from the axle then you are correct. If from the stock height then I am. It looks like they are measuring from the axle, in that case since our springs have a negative arch then it would go 7". If I was buying a lift kit and it says a 6" lift would be obtained I would want 6"s over where I was right now, not 6"s over the axle, I would measure this from a spot on the bumper to the ground as it sat stock and want to see 6"s over that from the same point on the bumper to the ground. Now thats how I measure lift, they are doing it from the axle to the frame from what I can read here. In my case I have had no sag at all out of the add a leaf. It is a Tuff Country Easy Ride and was for an F350. The springs were V code from an F350 with 5000 miles on it. I now have 1 year and 40,000 miles and still measure from the bumper to the ground 3" over stock.