E-Series VansTechnical discussion of topics related to vans powered by any of the Navistar engines. This covers a broad number of years, but there isn't enough demand to split it any further.
well, i was pulling my trailer down to richmond, and she left me at the side of the road again... not happy. she downshifted going up a hill, and seemed to lose power, then started running rough. she slowed down all the way up the hill and feeling like she dropped a cylinder. i had been in the middle lane, and had to wait for a stream of trucks to go by in the right lane before i could get to the shoulder. at that point, she was doing ~5mph, shaking like hell; clearly it dropped more than one cylinder.
i let it sit for a 10-15 minutes, popped the hood and looked for any obvious issues - no holes where they shouldn't be, etc. oil pressure, coolant temps and volts were fine throughout the problem. i drained the water separator (yellow handle), but didn't see any prism in the fluid on the ground - looked like good fuel.
tried starting it, and she started rough, but smoothed out. weird, but ok. got moving again and only made it about 2 miles before the problem came back. shut it down, located the nearest ford dealer, dropped the trailer, and limped it there. borrowed a buddy's truck to get the trailer - PITA!
symptoms persist - let it be for 10-15 minutes, and she'll start rough, then smooth out and drive mostly normal for a mile or two, then start to die.
HPOP? fuel filter was replaced ~5k miles ago... what else could it be? the mechanic will be looking at it today, but when i spoke to him on saturday, he mumbled something about possible IDM... any thoughts / suggestions? since its at a ford dealer, i know this is going to be highway robbery, but i want to make sure that the truck is fixed. if its the hpop, whats full list on it? truck has ~90K on it, and i replaced the CPS about 6 months ago. the symptom feels very different than when the CPS was failing.
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'00 E350SD PSD Auto 'FunTon'
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I'm having similar problems and the leading guesses are the ICP or the Under Valve Wiring Harness. Are you getting any SES lights. Be sure to get any codes they pull (read my need a new turbo thread to see what the dealer says it is)
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2000 E350 Chateau, 7.3 PSD, Ujointclothing DIY 4x4 conversion, Amsoil dual bi-pass oil filter, Amsoil Blue Air Filter, Reunel rear bumper, Bushwacker Fender Flares, and leaf spring front brackets
My truck had real close to the same symptons towing the camper with 115,000 on the clock.About 3 hours from home . The mechanic told me I had injector issues so I bought all new injectors. That did not fixed the problem. It turned out to be the hpop. I think I paid around $425 for it
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most likely its the valve cover harness connectors...
doubt its the ICP ....but all you have to do to check it is to unplug the sensor, drivers side front of head toward valley ...it goes to a default setting that allows it to run...
You can read the TSB's at Dieselman's Site,
It could be the fuel tank delaminating, or the CMP, or many things.
You may want to copy and paste the TSB issues to your year/make van and
bring them to the Dealer so they can troubleshoot it easier. Often they look in the wrong place.
With no SES, I'd be leaning toward a fuel supply issue. Maybe a clogged filter that's not letting fuel thru. The filter drain is on the dirty side of the filter, so the fact that you're getting fuel out of the drain is inconclusive.
The fact that it starts and runs OK for a short time also points me to fuel supply.
klhansen - thanks. i tend to agree re: fuel system issue. i'll pick up a fuel filter and swap it in the dealers lot. unlikely they are even going to be able to look at it until tomorrow or thursday...
van_350sd - looking through the TSB's, only the delaminating tank seems likely and the CMP was just replaced a few months ago, and the symptoms appear significantly different.
appreciate the advice folks! have to say, this has me looking at new tow vehicles, and not fords don't trust the 6.0, 6.4 doesn't have the history yet (and is big $).
I was going to suggest checking your fuel filter, but you mention it was just changed 5K ago. Nevertheless, a delaminating tank can plug a filter up pretty bad, just not sure how long it would take.
That happened to me, then all of a sudden I couldn't climb a grade -- would sputter and barely run on the shouldler so I could get it off the highway. Had to have it hauled home. Seemed to run okay otherwise, until you need to put the fuel to it again.
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2001 E350 PSD, Deep Emerald Green, 3.55 LS, Premium package, dual alts, rear A/C. Quigley 4x4, Transfer Flow rear tank (27+26), handicap mods, custom interior, Reunel tire carrier w/ Hi-Lift, Sportsmobile nerf bars (black), Amsoil lubes and Dual-Gard bypass oil filter, Amsoil air filters, Eclipse/JL Audio sound system w/ Sirius & 120GB Neo Car Jukebox (MP3 player), J&J stainless grill, Reunel Stainless bumper, 12000# Warn winch, PIAA lights, Bilstein shocks, Ultra Magnum wheels, Michelin tires (265/75-16), Correctrack rear wheel spacers, Bushwhacker flares (painted), Velvet-Ride spring shackles, p/s filter, external tranny and coolant filters, Wicked Wheel, Autometer gauges(5), 203 thermo, BRV+, removed air intake heater, Optima Yellow Tops, "Harpoon" mod, DP-Tuner, 4" exhaust w/ Aeroturbine, Airdog, HX-mod.
Next on the List: a blown tranny!
if the tank is delaminating, are the bits obvious on the fuel filter media? can you see flakes or something that would definitively show it to be the laminating material? and if it is, besides replacing the tank, i assume you have to flush all the lines back to the feed from the tank, right?
would the laminating material trash the hpop or anything else? has anyone here had a tank lamination failure?
Delamination (or any other crud) in the fuel tank should only affect the fuel system up to the filter. There's a pair of screens in the fuel pickup on the trucks, but I don't know how the vans are configured. Then there's a screen inside the inlet of the fuel pump, a check valve at the outlet of the pump (IIRC), then the main fuel filter. If that doesn't stop it, then it goes into the fuel rails in the head and to the injectors. That isn't really likely, thankfully, or you'd be looking at replacing all the injectors.
The HPOP isn't involved at all.
Shoot a PM to Larry M. He's done quite a bit of investigation on fuel system issues on the van.
On edit: Here's a post by Larry that has some good info on the inner workings of a van fuel tank. In Tank Fuel Pickup
everyone has mentioned fuel supply but no one has mentioned check your fuel pressure. Do it cold then do it when the problem happens. Bet its low!! in which case all you may need is a new fuel pump., best of luck
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'03 F-350 XLT srw crew cab short box 4x4 7.3L auto. List of mods: triple disc converter, shift kit, 6.0L tranny cooler, external trans filter kit with winter bypass, 203*t-stat, zoodad, PA2818 Baldwin air filter, in tank mods, DI regulated fuel return, 4" MBRP exhaust, isspro gauges, DP tuner 6 program chip, Ram mount laptop stand, overhead speaker console, Kenwood head unit with sirius, pioneer amp, alpine amp, pioneer speakers and audiobahn speakers, old school orion 225 HCCA amp running a single Kenwood 10" sub, power seat on drivers side, AIH delete, excursion sound insulator panels, snowman mod, door seal mod, Turbo Master wastegate controller, ATS ported compressor housing, soon a 200 amp alternator and another killer orion amp
have i mentioned that i hate car dealers? they just called and the service writer tried to tell me that they think its a trans problem. how, pray tell, does a misfire on multiple cylinders become a trans problem??? i think i'm going to go pick it up and see if i can get it to another dealer. unbelievable.
Speaking of fuel pressure -- yes, that would be lacking by default, if this is caused by a fuel obstruction. It might run okay around town and at slow speeds, but not when you put the pedal down.
When the delam happened to me, my mechanic showed me a jar of fuel with small silver flakes in it. They were definitely in the tank (which he had already dropped and drained), but I don't remember if he said they were obvious in the fuel bowl. I think my filter just looked dark and cruddy. Of course, I really have no idea how long this took to happen. But I had linked it to the shortened tank provided by Quigley - don't know if this would also happen to an unmodified stock tank.
Regarding the tank, IF this is the problem, you can simply have it boiled out to remove the lamination inside, for not much money (like $200?). They can send it out to a shop for that. I haven't had any problems since, thankfully, because this is certainly NOT a problem you want to have (it's right up there with a dead CPS and death-wobble).
BTW - I had no other problems associated with this. The filter seemed to catch it all.
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2001 E350 PSD, Deep Emerald Green, 3.55 LS, Premium package, dual alts, rear A/C. Quigley 4x4, Transfer Flow rear tank (27+26), handicap mods, custom interior, Reunel tire carrier w/ Hi-Lift, Sportsmobile nerf bars (black), Amsoil lubes and Dual-Gard bypass oil filter, Amsoil air filters, Eclipse/JL Audio sound system w/ Sirius & 120GB Neo Car Jukebox (MP3 player), J&J stainless grill, Reunel Stainless bumper, 12000# Warn winch, PIAA lights, Bilstein shocks, Ultra Magnum wheels, Michelin tires (265/75-16), Correctrack rear wheel spacers, Bushwhacker flares (painted), Velvet-Ride spring shackles, p/s filter, external tranny and coolant filters, Wicked Wheel, Autometer gauges(5), 203 thermo, BRV+, removed air intake heater, Optima Yellow Tops, "Harpoon" mod, DP-Tuner, 4" exhaust w/ Aeroturbine, Airdog, HX-mod.
Next on the List: a blown tranny!
'00 7.3 stranded me..again
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don't trust the 6.0, 6.4 doesn't have the history yet (and is big $).
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