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Old 09-30-2002, 05:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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'99 E350 V10 rear end noise?

I have 59K on our '99 E350 Chateau. We bought it used in 2000. We use it to tow our 32' travel (about #8200) trailer and as a second car when needed. About 3k miles ago, I started to hear a growl coming from the rear of the van. At first I thought it was tires and played with air pressure. Then I started to listen closely and I can hear a difference on the freeway when I let up on the throttle and coast for a second and then re-apply the throttle. I can't hear the noise at all untill I hit 30 mph. The rear end is 3.73 and I believe it's limited slip. I just had the diff. drained & refilled, and there is no change in the sound.

My question: Is this a rear end problem or a wheel bearing problem (how to tell the difference?)

If it's the rear end, is this a dealer issue or is an independent shop a better idea? (I need to go to the dealer for the fuel filler isolator recall anyway)

Anybody in the SF Bay Area know a good shop to go to?
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Re: '99 E350 V10 rear end noise?

Tom,I have the same noise as you are experiencing and my dealer said that I shouldn't worry about it.
The noise was the lash between the gears as my dealer took the rear diff. cover off and inspected the gears,wheel bearings,etc.
They said that the only way to eliminate the noise is a new ring and pinion but that I might have the same noise return again in the future. I dodn't know if you can shim the van rear ends to reduce the noise or not as I didn't ask at the time.
All the Ford vans I've had in my business growled to a certain extent after time due to the gear surfaces wearing.
My 1994 Ford E-350 van has the same noise at 180,000 miles as compared to my 2000 van at 70,000 miles.
I guess it all depends on how tight they set up the rear diff. carrier assy. at the factory as it relates to when the noise starts to get noticed.

Next year my goal is to retrofit a Dana 80 rearend (3:54) with the heavy cut gears in my van to bulletize the rest of the drivetrain.

Any competent repair shop with good refferals should be able to distinguish where your rear end noise is originating from.

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Re: '99 E350 V10 rear end noise?

Sounds like a pinion bearing noise. Is the van vibrating at all?.

Had the same thing happen on my Cadillac ambulance and the pinion seal went. Took it to the shop and they replaced the seal along with adjusting the pinion bearing load.

For now would just keep an eye on the seal and the noise level. if it increases then have it checked.

In addition you can drop the driveshaft and see if the center nut on the pinion is at the tourqe specs.
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Re: '99 E350 V10 rear end noise?

Both times that I have heard a noise like that from a differential I ended up buying a ring and pinion gear set with bearings. One vehicle was a Ford, the other a Dodge, my 98 PSD van started a noise like that and it turned out to be a pinion bearing, I had it replaced, end of noise.
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Re: '99 E350 V10 rear end noise?

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Thanks for the ideas. I guess the question I'd ask next is:
Am I hurting anything while continuing to drive the van?
If it is the pinion bearing what happens? Does it sieze up, blow up or what? How much is a pinion bearing to replace?

Same questions for the ring &amp; pinion gear set. What happens &amp; how much to fix?
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Re: '99 E350 V10 rear end noise?

The seal would go probaly go first although not sure then your looking at it blowing gear oil all over the place. Soon after that the pinion bearing along with the rest of the stuff will start heading south fast.

Why wait?. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] why not just get it checked out now, it could save a lot of money and downtime since nothing seems to be damaged so far.

By the way when mine blew the seal I towed it on my flatbed trailer to the shop. I was not taking any chances on doing more damage.
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Re: '99 E350 V10 rear end noise?

Gotcha- I'll have some one look at it asap.
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The next step in the rear end noise saga...

So, I did some extra research on the 'net and found a couple of sites with troubleshooting charts keyed by sound.

Both charts agreed that a low-pitched growl starting around 20 mph was probably carrier bearings.

This morning I took the van to a local differential service shop and spent some time talking to the owner. Based on his look-see of the diff and my description of the noise, he agrees that the carrier bearings are the likely culprit.

However, because the sound changes if the van is accelerating or coasting, he believes the pinion bearing may be gone as well. That COULD lead to replacing the ring &amp; pinion if they are worn...

If that happens, I'll probably change from 3.73 to 4.10 and improve my towing engine speed range a bit.

The Van goes in on Monday. If anyone has any other comments, let me know! <font color="blue"> </font color>
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Re: The next step in the rear end noise saga...

What was the website that you found this chart at?. Maybe others can use it.
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Re: The next step in the rear end noise saga...

SO-

I got the Van back this afternoon along with a boxfull of nifty oily parts. I figure I paid about $80/pound for them....

We now have a 4.10 ratio in the back (in place of the 3.73), and I am imformed that the LS clutch packs are nice and tight.

I had two problems: the pinion was moving back and forth due to a smashed flat spacer and the carrier bearings were shot. The moving pinion made a new pinion &amp; ring gear necessary, so we went for the 4.10.

The drive home was oh-so-quiet! I can actually hear wind noise again!

AND the speedo seems to read fast. so, after reading what I could about rear end ratios &amp; programming things &amp; speedo, I still have a couple of questions:

I think the mechanical speedo &amp; odo in my van is driven by a cable from the transmission.

If you change tire size and therefor tire diameter, then you need to change the gear ratio (at the tranny) so the Speedo &amp; odo read correctly.

If you change the rear-end ratio, you need to do the same thing.

Does the engine control system need to know what the rear end ratio is? Or does it get it from the Speedo?

The "pencil gear" that drives the speedo-is this an off the shelf thing at a dealer? Can I tell him what rear end ratio I have and how many tire revs per mile my tires give and can he "select" the right gear?

Help!

BTW- here is the URL for one of the troubleshooting guides I found:

http://www.ring-pinion.com/diagnosing.shtml
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Re: The next step in the rear end noise saga...

Tom,I'am glad to hear the van is back together in one piece.
That website is also very informative,thank you!

You can search the forums for the answers to your questions or some other vanners may have the answer your looking for.
I'am keeping an ear on my differential for now and hope it lasts until next spring.

Take it easy,
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Re: The next step in the rear end noise saga...

I was trying to figure out how "off" my speedo was as a result of the new 4.10 I had installed, so I checked it out against a cop radar trailer. Surprisingly, there was no "off"! My speedo was right on!

Then I remember I still had the "old" gears, so I counted the teeth. Pinion-10 teeth
Ring-41 teeth

I had 4.10 out back the whole time!

I have no idea why I thought I had 3.73-I think that's what the papers said when we bought the van (used)!

Oh well. The van is quiet again, it still tows like a bat out of hell and I don't have to feel concerned about the rig weighing close to the tow limit-10,000# is a long way away!
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