Lets put the 6.7 in perspective.

[Mongus]

That all is probably true.
I totally agree with you and follow the idea. If the choice is available, I always buy the USA made-no matter the cost difference. USA made quality smokes the Asian made, period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[John Rambo]

Yup. Free trade, unions, corporate greed, loss of American pride, fat and apathetic culture and government only caring about paybacks, votes and power are why so much is made oversees. We need to correct all of these issues if we are to be great again. Being a service economy is fine but we need to bring back the manufacturing. That's where true wealth is made.

[ford_doctor]

Originally Posted by zeroo

Ford is my only choice for trucks. period. they have been building trucks and cars for a long time, seem to have their crap together finacially and are arguably the best motor company out there now, toyota dropped the ball with the pedal issue.

now international has been building diesel motors for a long time. the last few motors flaws were because of ford tinkering.

what should we expect?

My opinion concerning an all Ford engineered and built power plant vs the Ford/Navistar collaborations is that now Ford will full control over all aspects of the product. We will see what amounts to real time monitoring of concerns as they develop and therefore Ford will be able to identify problems and develop solutions and implement them both at the production level and in the field quickly. It would be naive to assume that the 6.7L will be flawless as with any machine but remember that Ford is not new at building truck and they have learned a lot over the last 25-30 years of doing business with Navistar. As a technician in the field for Ford for 23 years I have seen the launch of several new Ford engines all of which have been good in my opinion. I anticipate the same especially given the quality of their products over thew last few years.

[zeroo]

well good luck. hopefully this wont be their gas pedal and you wont have to deal with a bunch of anal suburban diesel grandpas. in all these years there has to be a reason the big three outsourced the diesel motors.

[moonbeam]

Originally Posted by ftboomer1

And you would expect something different?

1. The companies were failing for a variety of reasons. Chiefly, but not exclusively, the cost of union labor and benefits.

2. They took the bailout and management restrictions from the government.

3. The primary thing the gov DID NOT do was to rework the labor contracts.

4. The gov DID tinker with management.

In conclusion to my simple points, they did not relieve themselves of their chief issue and have adopted the excellent (ahem) gov management.

Yep, the are truly doomed.

frboomer1 how can you blame union labor cost when the CEO makes more than thousands of union labor employees put together? And please don't forget Ford uses union labor to build our Ford Tough trucks but they didn't need bailout money.

Ford has been the one 1 selling truck in America for 33 years for a reason. I think Ford did the smartest thing they could by building their own diesel engine for trucks when they realized how bad their reputation was being hurt in the truck market by the 6.0 and 6.4 problems.

[zeroo]

Originally Posted by moonbeam

frboomer1 how can you blame union labor cost when the CEO makes more than thousands of union labor employees put together? And please don't forget Ford uses union labor to build our Ford Tough trucks but they didn't need bailout money.

Ford has to use them. Do you think any employer with half a brain wants to use union labor? The ceo's make more money cause they are the boss, a good boss cause they found a way to survive and turn a profit wile being legally blackmailed. Plus I think the ford ceo only made $1, anyone of those poor union workers wants to strive to be a boss, well its america they should go for it.

[moonbeam]

Originally Posted by zeroo

Ford has to use them. Do you think any employer with half a brain wants to use union labor? The ceo's make more money cause they are the boss, a good boss cause they found a way to survive and turn a profit wile being legally blackmailed. Plus I think the ford ceo only made $1, anyone of those poor union workers wants to strive to be a boss, well its america they should go for it.

WOW, legally blackmailed you say. I guess the CEO's salary has always been $1. I could banter all day with you about the quality products produced by union workers vs lack of quality products produced by non union workers but that's not what I am here for. Your comments were spoken like a true management person. JMHO

[John Rambo]

Originally Posted by moonbeam

WOW, legally blackmailed you say. I guess the CEO's salary has always been $1. I could banter all day with you about the quality products produced by union workers vs lack of quality products produced by non union workers but that's not what I am here for. Your comments were spoken like a true management person. JMHO

And your comments were spoken like a true bitter union worker. The unions chased away American jobs and there is no disputing that. Your thug bosses are guilty of doing everything you accuse management of. Management and CEO's aren't free of blame but those CEO's climbed the ladder and this is still the USA - they can demand and usually get the big bucks to run major companies. Without CEO's there wouldn't be unions because there wouldn't be companies. Other examples of economic destruction caused by unions are Greece and our own federal government. Greece is bankrupt and our federal government is nothing more than a bloated waste of tax payers money with useless bureaucrats and millions of underachievers.